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DANO FWNHRF OCW OA KDAOBWDNE Page 38 another individual from -- with Ted from 2003 till 2009 or '10. At what point in that whole period is there like more of a break, where you're no longer acting as his general manager? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I -- I wanted to have a full break when I started dating Ted. And he was clever. I -- I -- I suppose it would be true to say that I sort of viewed Mr. Epstein, at that point, as sort of family, if you will. Like someone I could rely on. And I should have had more confidence in myself. I can see that now. But at the time, given everything that had happened in my life, I thought that it would -- and I saw how he was with other people like Eva, who seemed to be very comfortable with him, and I thought this would be -- and he always said, I was like family. So he worked hard to make -- maintain a relationship with me. He was generous with me. He let me use the plane, for instance, which was very generous, he would check in with my mum. He did things that were meaningful to me in that time. And then, it may still not have worked, but that his -- his mother, Paula, had been in a very serious car crash. And I -- she had become sort of Page 39 like a -- a surrogate mother for me, sort of, because my mum wasn't there. I could -- I could look after her the way that I would -- sorry. TODD BLANCHE: It's all right. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: The way that I would've liked to look after my own mum. So I became very close to his mother. And she had been in a car crash and in 2004, I believe it -- it may have been 2005, I -- I don't recall exactly. She took a -- her health took a serious decline. And Epstein called me and asked me if I could look after her. And by looking after her, that meant organizing her doctors, making sure she had new clothes, making sure her house was clean. DAVID MARKUS: Where was she? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: She lived in -- ina retirement establishment in -- outside of Palm Beach, outside of -- its West Palm. I want -- I was going to say something like the Golden Girls, but it's not called that. I just don't remember what it's called. But it was an old age -- it was a retirement home, if you will. DAVID MARKUS: Todd, I don't know, we've been going for maybe about an hour now. Do you think -- is this a good time to -- MAGNAS® ~— AANA FWNF DUO WAIHI PWN EE NO + Oo Wo orn or WN EE ia oO wo Page 40 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah -- yeah. So we'll take a -- we'll take a break. DAVID MARKUS: Yep. SPENCER HORN: All right. So we're going to take a break, the time is 10:56. (Break at 10:56 a.m. to 11:07 a.m.) SPENCER HORN: We're continuing the proffer interview with Ms. Maxwell. The time 1s 11:07 a.m., on Thursday, July 24th. TODD BLANCHE: All right. So just picking up where we Just stopped. So -- so you -- you have basically a break. Well, not a break, that's the wrong word, but your -- your relationship with Mr. Maxwell [sic] -- professional and other changes in 2003, '04? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah. I mean, and over the time that I stay with Ted, the more time I'm with Ted, the more distance I have with him. And then when the arrest -- well, let's go back. When he -- whatever -- whatever happened in 2005 and he became arrested in 2006. TODD BLANCHE: So when he's charged and arrested in what we'll call the Florida Investigations, that's what you're talking about? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I am. Page 41 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Go ahead. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I had -- I was not in -- well -- TODD BLANCHE: Well, were you part of that investigation? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely not. TODD BLANCHE: Did -- did law enforcement ever talk to you as part of that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. TODD BLANCHE: Did you, like, the feds never talked to you -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. TODD BLANCHE: -- the FBI never talked to you? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. TODD BLANCHE: Do you know -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I never even received a phone call. TODD BLANCHE: -- did you -- so you didn't receive a subpoena? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. TODD BLANCHE: Did the state law enforcement ever reach out to you? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. TODD BLANCHE: As far as you know, did the (Pages 38 to 41) LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR- 00022666