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OBATNDOBRPWNF COW WOAIDHD OF WN FP Page 50 you would've had to find someone who was trilingual to -- and that he trusted -- TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- to manage, not steal from him. TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- so when he gets out of jail, between that time 2009 or '10, and 2019, what's your relationship like with -- with Mr. Epstein? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Almost nonexistent. TODD BLANCHE: Why? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I -- I had just moved on and I just didn't want to have anything to -- I didn't want the drama. I didn't want to be associated with ... TODD BLANCHE: So do you recall -- when you say "almost non-existent," does that mean -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: It doesn't mean it -- TODD BLANCHE: -- was it some phone calls, some visits -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I definitely. TODD BLANCHE: -- some trips, or what does it mean? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I -- I -- I don't -- I don't think there were any trips. Oh, I don't -- I Page 51 don't think so. TODD BLANCHE: Where were you living during that time period? Or was it -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Which time period? TODD BLANCHE: Between 2009, '10 and 2019? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I was back in New York. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So you had no -- so when you -- so -- so your -- you had phone calls with him on occasion? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. Well, I certainly did when it -- whenever there was any legal drama or any like, serious press attention, I always called him to try and find out what was going on. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Okay. And then -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I did email him at that time for those types of details. It was like, what do I do? What, I mean, I was like ... TODD BLANCHE: And -- and then when he's charged in New York federally -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: -- how did you learn about that case? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: In the press. TODD BLANCHE: And had you, as far as you MAGNA®© On NDN OB WNP DO DO~AIGS OB WN PB MNNNNNDND ? ae WNHER OO WO oO TN OA PWN EE NNNNFPRPRPRPRPRPRPRP RPE WNHFrF OW OMAODTA UR WHE OO Page 52 know, been contacted by law enforcement before his arrest? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I wasn't in an indictment. TODD BLANCHE: No. I know that, but even as a witness or -- or asking you if you would give documents or materials? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I had never -- up until he -- up until when my lawyers said that, I don't even know. I -- I had no knowledge of them being interested in me, honestly. I don't -- I want to say until he had died. Now I know that my lawyers were in touch with the Southern District of New York at some point after his arrest. I'm pretty sure that had to have happened, right -- TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- but I -- my understanding is that they had not shown any interest. I know my lawyers went to see them once, I believe, and -- TODD BLANCHE: Went to see him meaning Mr. Epstein? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, them. So Southern District of New York. Page 53 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. The Southern District of New York. Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry. And that they had been in regular, in touch with him and -- TODD BLANCHE: But now you're talking about after Mr. Epstein died or are you talking about before he died? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think, I -- TODD BLANCHE: If you can remember. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Easily verifiable. I -- my memory is that they were in touch with him when he was arrested. TODD BLANCHE: Uh-huh. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't know if anything happened until after his death, then after that. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't think they saw them -- met with them, Southern District of New York I'm talking about now, until after he died. I know that they were in regular telephone contact with them and that my lawyers believed that they had been told that there was no interest in me -- TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- and were absolutely 14 (Pages 50 to 53) LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR- 00022669