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on TIMA OB WN TE Page 66 money, I wasn't there. I mean, he -- I really had a separate life. We really had separate lives -- TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- except where they synced. TODD BLANCHE: But it wasn't from -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: It wasn't from me. TODD BLANCHE: -- from you? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. It was not. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. And what's your understanding of what Mr. Epstein did for Ms. Johnson? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Same as what he did for Wexner. And when I -- and you have to understand, it -- it went down to, in tiny details. So I remember this -- I remember, this is an actual memory, that he would make the contracts for the maids, for the people who worked in their homes. TODD BLANCHE: So he would assist his clients, at times, with -- you're saying with even small things like contractual relations with -- with -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He said no detail was too small, because everything that affected how they lived and how they managed their life, was something Page 67 that he felt he was -- if they want, he would be responsible for, to make sure that the contract -- so that if you had to fire someone, it wouldn't come back and sue you or if that -- that sort of ... TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So Mr. Black, Mr. Werner [sic] -- Ms. Johnson. Who else? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: What's the name of the woman from Ohio (inaudible). TODD BLANCHE: Know someone named Jes Staley. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah. I do know Jes. TODD BLANCHE: Who's that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He was at Morgan Stanley and at Barclays. TODD BLANCHE: What do -- do you know whether he and Mr. Epstein had a relationship? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, not a -- not a physical one. TODD BLANCHE: Well -- DAVID MARKUS: Business one. TODD BLANCHE: -- I didn't suggest. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry, I just -- TODD BLANCHE: No. I'm saying a -- a relationship in the broadest sense of word; business, personal -- MAGNAS® — OAD OB WNHRF DW HO OHI HD OB WN BO NMNNDN DNWD + OP wr rF ow A~ATIN OP WNF DH DAIHOBWNHE NM NM NHN ND t Oe WNrF OC Oo GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: -- both. Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. Both. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. And do you know when they met? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I-- no. I don't know when they met. But you can time it. Well, I don't know that you can. No. I don't know. TODD BLANCHE: So, but what was the nature of their relationship, as far as you know? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think they were friends and I think that they were business partners. Well, partners, too strong a word, but they were -- they did business together. TODD BLANCHE: So did you -- again, I want to stay focused on the time where you were the most involved in his life, so -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: The '90s. TODD BLANCHE: -- the early '90s through early 2000s. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And the beginning -- beginning of the 2000s, yes. TODD BLANCHE: Did -- did you -- so we talked about four people, so -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: There's more. Page 69 TODD BLANCHE: -- were there more? Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, yes. There were more. There was a lady whose name I just can't -- can I get my book? Maybe I wrote them down. TODD BLANCHE: Sure. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: (Indiscernible) Epstein wouldn't really let me meet his clients. TODD BLANCHE: What book are you using? What is that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I wrote some notes for the meeting. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Great. Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Is that alright? TODD BLANCHE: No. That's fine. I just was curious what -- what we're looking at. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, okay. DAVID MARKUS: Not the birthday book. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: It's not the birthday book. No. We are going to come to that, I'm sure. TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: All right. I wrote down some names because I tried to make -- I just want you to understand my -- my memory's not as good as it was, because when I was in Brooklyn, I was in the SHU for almost two years, and I was on suicide (Pages 66 to 69) LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022673