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ODr~wAnA OAR WNHeRF OCW WAIN OO PWN PB doing. Yes. I didn't -- TODD BLANCHE: So -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- I didn't hire any electrician on the plane. Okay. TODD BLANCHE: -- so unequivocally, unequivocally from what you know, and you only know what you know -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I only know what I know. TODD BLANCHE: -- but from what you know, you do not believe a camera exists, or a video camera or a camera that takes pictures, inside any of his residences? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Correct. TODD BLANCHE: So even the appropriate cameras that you just talked about, which would be kind of exterior security cameras, did you know whether there was any cameras, that you're aware of, inside any of the locations? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Never, with one exception. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. What's the exception? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: The exception is Palm Beach. Page 79 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And the reason -- so in Palm Beach, Epstein was having money stolen. He noticed money was being stolen from his briefcase, call it his briefcase. And he called in the Palm Beach police and they, the Palm Beach police installed cameras on where he kept his briefcase. TODD BLANCHE: Where was that? Do you remember? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: At his desk in -- so the house on the ground floor was -- he had a desk, sort of ina corner. There was that camera. I think there was another camera. I think there were two or maybe three cameras. I believe only on the ground floor, wherever he may have had -- maybe he had another office in the cabana. There may have been a camera there. TODD BLANCHE: When was this? I'm not looking for an exact date, but what time period are you thinking about when you say this? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: 2003. I think I can date it for you precisely, actually, 2003. I'm pretty firm on that date. TODD BLANCHE: So -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I can be firm MAGNA®© OAD OB WNHRF DW HO OHI HD OB WN BO NMNNDN DNWD + OP wr rF ow orn or WN EE NNNFPRPRPRPRPRP RPP RE NFOW MTA UBRWNHEOE Page 80 because John Alessi, the butler was fired in the end of 2002 and he was the thief. TODD BLANCHE: So aside from law enforcement installing a camera, to try to catch somebody stealing money from Mr. Epstein, you're not aware of any cameras at the island -- no. Sorry. You're -- just so we record it because ... GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, sorry -- sorry -- SOITy. TODD BLANCHE: No. That's okay. You were nodding your head no. So what about -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No cameras anywhere, outside of, possibly, things that would -- I would consider -- myself, I would consider normal. So the garage gate, something like that, a front door. TODD BLANCHE: Outside, like security cameras? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Security cameras. TODD BLANCHE: No. I -- I-- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And there were cameras inside in the 71st Street that did the plant, the physical plant, because it was a commercial building. So you had the whole -- that's a real thing there. It's a commercial building. Page 81 And there were -- there was one camera on the -- on the front door, internal, from the internal that did the front door, as I recall. But I -- there were no other cameras inside the house. TODD BLANCHE: Did you ever -- how about photographs. Did you ever observe Mr. Epstein, or anybody around him, take pictures of anybody in compromising positions with women or with -- or with anybody? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. TODD BLANCHE: Did you ever hear, when you were present for conversations that Mr. Epstein was having, or others were having, anybody accuse him of blackmailing them or of trying to extort them, because of something Mr. Epstein knew? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. TODD BLANCHE: There have been -- and -- and you -- you -- in the discovery you got in the New York case, okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: And in the civil cases that you've been part of -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: -- associated with Mr. Epstein, have you ever been given or ever been 21 (Pages 78 to 81) LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR- 00022676