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Aryan oP WNF DWM DOA HDOB WN EH Page 70 watch for almost two years, which meant that they woke me up every 15 minutes for the entire time. And it's -- it really did affect my ability to ... TODD BLANCHE: Understand. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I'm not -- TODD BLANCHE: So you've taken some notes in anticipation -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I just made some names in -- in advance for this -- TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. Okay. So go ahead. So -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- and you're happy to look at them as well, if you want. TODD BLANCHE: No. Go -- go ahead. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. Oh, well, funny you say, first two names. One is Wexner, two is Staley, three is Leon Black. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Glenn Dubin was a client. TODD BLANCHE: Who's that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Eva Dubin's husband. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. What was their, I Page 71 mean, if you can -- do you know when -- about when that relationship started? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Whenever -- well, wouldn't have been before they got married, for sure. So if you're going to start -- you're going to date that from wherever that was. And then Epstein was heavily involved with Highbridge Capital and the financing or selling of Highbridge to JP Morgan. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Go ahead. Eva Dubin. Yep. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. You're only looking for clients, so, all right. There's a woman -- well he -- there's a woman in Ohio. I just can't think of her name, but it will -- I tried to remember it yesterday and I can't. DAVID MARKUS: So this is a good thing. Like, you know, as you think of things, write it down, and if they have any other names, they'll ask you. But you -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Right. TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. Just -- DAVID MARKUS: -- don't -- don't force it out. So -- so you'll have time to think about this, especially today, this afternoon, overnight -- MAGNA®© Or~ATIN OF WNP DH WAAIHDHO PWN FP N+ oO © DAAINDOFWNHRF DWM WAT A OB WN HE NON ND +t NO rR oO wo Page 72 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. DAVID MARKUS: -- because we'll probably meet tomorrow. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: But you can find them. I mean, if you basically find a billionaire female. TODD BLANCHE: So the woman in Ohio who's wealthy, that you worked with. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And well, you can identify her yourself because she had the largest Klein painting. That was huge. So you can find her, because it'll be in a museum. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So that's her. TODD BLANCHE: And so he -- that was one of Mr. Epstein's clients? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: She was one of Mr. client -- Mr. Epstein's clients as well? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Who else? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I think that there was people, other people that he would, like, assist. I know that he helped Lynn Forester, who became Lynn de Rothschild. She'll deny it and she has, but she -- she can't. Page 73 TODD BLANCHE: And when you say "help," the same help in business or what help? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, so-- so -- I have no idea what he did for her. I know he helped her financially. Her husband was the controller of New York. So, but I don't -- again, I'm not inside his business, but he would've -- his -- his -- this notion that he black -- blackmailed men or we don't really have to go there, that he wasn't a businessman and that everything he did was a fraud or a funk or what -- I don't believe that to be true. TODD BLANCHE: Why? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry? TODD BLANCHE: Why do you -- so you say you don't believe it to be true, but show me why you think that. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. TODD BLANCHE: Just from -- I know you've been talking about it, that he was very -- he was very conscientious. He was very good at math. He was -- took, paid a lot of attention to his clients, but -- but yes. You're right. There's allegations of -- of blackmail or also that -- that there was some level of -- of fraud involved in what he did, and you don't believe it. Why do you -- why do you 19 (Pages 70 to 73) LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR- 00022674