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AAD OPFWNF DH OATH UBF WNY HE DAVID MARKUS: Or the clients. TODD BLANCHE: -- or the clients themselves? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Never. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So -- so let's -- again, I want to stay -- and -- and coming back now to what you were talking about a moment ago with Mr. Epstein's kind of progression or -- or -- or getting worse. So just staying within the '90s. What role -- what did -- what role did you have or what did you observe -- which are two different issues, but both important -- with respect to recruiting masseuses to come to either, I guess, Palm Beach or to travel, or eventually New Mexico. What role did you have in that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He asked me to find masseuses for him. TODD BLANCHE: Say it again. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He asked me if I could find him masseuses. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Like, as part of -- like you said, you were his general manager. As part of all your -- your duties, that was one of them? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I did do that. So the first person I believe that I introduced him to Page 91 as a masseuse was somebody ee)! REDACTION She was, I don't know, mid, late 20s. Professional masseuse. TODD BLANCHE: And was this something that happened early on in your relationship or -- and again, I know we're talking about the '90s, but are we talking about early '90s or is this later on? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So in terms of massage, I am a -- I have a lot of injuries. I doa lot of dangerous sports and have had multiple serious accidents, and walk without any lameness, because of physical therapy and massage. I've -- that to me is a very -- it's medicinal for me. So Epstein, whatever his massage situation, whatever -- he loved massage. And if I met somebody who I thought was a good masseuse or masseur, I introduced them. And he -- because I got them, and he asked me if I did, and I said yes. And that's -- I'm pretty sure that would've -- well, I don't remember. '93, '92, from the beginning. TODD BLANCHE: So -- so go ahead. So then what happens over the next, you know, like there's been -- there's a ton of writing and a ton of, I guess, testimony as well, but also public reporting, MAGNA®© DAATNOAFWNHRF DMO WAIHD OF WN FE NN | rFOoOw OAD OP WNF DO WAIN PWN EF ND |} Foo Page 92 about how the recruiting was a very aggressive effort that you were a part of, that he was a part of, and others, to try to find more and more masseuses. What -- is that -- is that true, and what role did you have in that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That was partially true. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So it is true that I found masseuses and he became more insistent. He -- he -- he liked new all the time. He got bored. So he would be bored with a masseuse and he would say, find me a new masseuse. I am the entire opposite. IfI find someone that I like, I stay with them. I'm like, I don't want new. He would drive for new. So that is true. And in my effort to find them, I would go to massage spas, like legitimate spas. Not -- we're not talking, you know, funky ones that people have. So -- and I -- if I got a massage from somebody in a spa, that was -- I liked -- I liked, I asked them if they would do home visits. If they said yes, I would ask them to come to the house and he would see if he liked them or not. But these were Page 93 people who worked in spas. I never, ever checked their age and I never checked their credentials. I never asked for a certificate. TODD BLANCHE: What -- DAVID MARKUS: But just to be clear, you never thought anybody was under 18? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I never crossed -- I never -- no. That was never my -- that was never a drive. TODD BLANCHE: What -- what did you know at the time about him, Mr. Epstein, requiring masseuses to be naked or requiring masseuses to either perform sexual favors for Mr. Epstein or to be there if Mr. Epstein masturbated or things like that. And again, I'm asking you about a 15-year period or whatever, 10-year period. So I appreciate, it's a very broad question. So answer it in a way that, you know, addresses what you've been charged with doing, but also what's been said about you. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. So I don't -- the '90s, I don't think that I ever thought -- that never would cross my mind. I'm not sure that I thought about that in those contexts at all, until his arrest and those papers came out. But I believe the -- the subject of the -- the question that you're 24 (Pages 90 to 93) LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR- 00022679