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AAD OPFWNF DH OATH UBF WNY HE Page 102 So with respect to just -- and we'll -- we'll take a break in a minute to get some food. But just with respect to Mr. -- with respect to the individuals you just talked about. So again, focus on the '90s. And so the people that I'm talking about right now, and we might add some names later. So we're talking about the -- the clients that he worked with, which you've mentioned several of. And I know that that wasn't exhaustive, but you mentioned several of them. And then the -- the kind of what -- what I called famous friends, but the -- the prominent individuals that were in his life in the '90s. Did -- did -- does any stick out in your mind as having received massages? All of them. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Henry Rosovsky received a massage. TODD BLANCHE: And why do you -- why does that stick out in your memory? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Because I saw him ina bathrobe at 71st Street, and he had received a massage, he told me. TODD BLANCHE: And do you know whether that -- whether there was any -- whether the masseuse Page 103 was naked during that massage? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I wouldn't have any idea. TODD BLANCHE: Do you know whether he -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I doubt it. He was like in his 80s. TODD BLANCHE: Say it again. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I doubt it. He was like in his 80s. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So -- but do you know -- notwithstanding his age -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Minsky, sorry. TODD BLANCHE: Say that again. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Minsky was another person. TODD BLANCHE: Do you know whether, for example, President Clinton ever received a massage? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't believe he did. TODD BLANCHE: And what makes you say you don't believe he did? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, because I don't -- so that's a good question. The time that Epstein and President Clinton spent together, the only times I believe -- well, obviously they Or~ATIN OF WNP DH WAAIHDHO PWN FP DMM NH DN ND 1! oe WHR OO © Orx~AInN OP WHF DWM WDAAIHD OB WN FP DM NM HDHD DW tt oer WHR OO © Page 104 traveled. There was that, you know, the plane, they went on the plane 26 times or whatever. That would be one journey. So they spent time on the plane together, and I don't believe there was ever a massage on the plane. So that would've been the only time that I think that President Clinton could have even received a massage. And he didn't, because I was there. TODD BLANCHE: And you mentioned that early -- in the very beginning of the conversation, you mentioned President Trump in the early ‘90s. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: What -- what's -- what did you observe, as far as President Trump, and his relationship with you or Mr. Epstein? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I just want to say for my relationship with President Trump -- relationship's a big word -- but I just want to say that I met him or I believe I may have, because of my father in the '90s. TODD BLANCHE: Yep. Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So my father liked him very much, and he was loved -- really liked his wife as well, because we were both Czechoslovakian. And as far as I'm concerned, President Page 105 Trump was always very cordial and very kind to me. And I just want to say that I find -- I -- I admire his extraordinary achievement in becoming the President now. And I like him, and I've always liked him. So that is the sum and substance of my entire relationship with him. TODD BLANCHE: What about Mr. Epstein’s relationship with him? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't know how they met, and I don't know how they became friends. I certainly saw them together and I remember the few times I observed them together, but they were friendly. I mean, they seemed friendly. TODD BLANCHE: Was that in social settings or was that in private settings? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I believe I only ever saw them in social settings. I don't recall any private settings. TODD BLANCHE: Did you ever -- have you ever been to Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I have. TODD BLANCHE: In what time period are you thinking about when you say yes? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't remember when the President purchased Mar-a-Lago. So from whenever MAGNA® 27 (Pages 102 to 105) LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR- 00022682