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ODr~wAnA OAR WNHeRF OCW WAIN OO PWN PB Page 106 it turned into the club, I went there and I was -- loved going there. TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- did you go there alone or with Mr. Epstein? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Mostly alone. TODD BLANCHE: Do you know where -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And the times I went there it was for an event, maybe once or twice. TODD BLANCHE: And do you know whether Mr. Epstein ever went there? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I -- I believe he did, but again, we really were -- he -- he didn't take me with him all the time. So he would go and -- oh, right. He never -- I never -- well, he did from time to time, but he would go alone. I think he would maybe go himself to the spa. I certainly did. TODD BLANCHE: Did you ever observe President Trump receive a massage? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Never. TODD BLANCHE: Did you ever observe -- you said that you -- you were -- I mean, have you seen the -- there's photographs, public photographs of Mr. Epstein and President Trump together. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: And there's photographs Page 107 of -- I think you're -- you're in some of the photographs -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: -- as well. Those all appear to be social settings. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: Do you -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's -- that's my memory. They were social settings. I don't know Epstein's -- if he had -- whatever the nature of the President's friendship, if you will, or however you want to define that with Epstein, I was -- never witnessed. I think they were friendly like people are in social settings. I don't -- I don't think they were close friends or I certainly never witnessed the President in any of -- I don't recall ever seeing him in his house, for instance. I actually never saw the President in any type of massage setting. I never witnessed the President in any inappropriate setting in any way. The President was never inappropriate with anybody. In the times that I was with him, he was a gentleman 1n all respects. TODD BLANCHE: When's the last time you ODr~wAnA OAR WNHeRF OCW WAIN OO PWN PB to 20 21 22 23 24 25 onan OB WN TE PPR PB BwWNE Ow Page 108 think you saw, in person, President Trump? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Un, it was -- it's -- it's been a long time. Probably not -- sometime in the -- beginning -- mid -- mid 2000s maybe. And it would only have been a social setting, as far as I recall. TODD BLANCHE: And did you ever hear Mr. Epstein or anybody say that President Trump had done anything inappropriate with masseuses or with anybody in your world? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely never, in any context. TODD BLANCHE: Do you know whether masseuses from Mar-a-Lago's spa ended up giving massages to -- private massages to Mr. Epstein? I'm not asking for what you may have read, but from -- at the time, from your personal knowledge, do you know whether that's true? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I -- I don't -- I don't recall. Is it possible? Yes. But I don't remember -- I don't remember that. So I don't want to -- I don't recall that, but it's possible. TODD BLANCHE: Do you have a recollection of you ever recruiting a masseuse from Mar-a-Lago spa to give -- to go give a private massage to Page 109 Mr. Epstein? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I've never recruited a masseuse from Mar-a-Lago for that, as far as I remember. I can't ever recollect doing that. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So what -- what I think we should do now, it's about 12:15. We'll take a -- we'll take a break and we will come back in a little bit. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. (Break at 12:15 p.m. to 12:59 p.m.) SPENCER HORN: Good afternoon. We are continuing the recorded proffer interview of Ms. Maxwell. The time is 12:59, Thursday, July 24th. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So just to continue what we're talking about, Ms. Maxwell, still focused on the '90s time period with -- understanding that could spill over in the early 2000s. But still that part of your -- of your life with Mr. Epstein. There's been public reporting about conduct by Mr. Epstein and others at Little Saint James. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: So can you talk about the frequency with which you went there, and address some MAGNA® 28 (Pages 106 to 109) LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022683