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onda owt WNHE Page 110 of those -- some of the reporting, namely around young masseuses or young women who would be present and what you observed -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: -- relating to them, and then I'll ask questions around that. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So if I'm right, he purchased the island in 1996 and he was friendly with the owners. And originally, we went to the island as guests of the owners. And then I guess at some point the owners told him -- he -- they wanted to sell and he decided to purchase it. So the island was very rustic. I loved it. He, of course, had completely different ideas. And I would say there was none of what you were describing at that early period of time. So the frequency was -- was often. We're often on the island, because he loved it. He really, really loved it. And we would, -- we would go all the time. Mostly all the early phase was based on improvements that could be made on the island. Always going with new architects, new designers, new construction people. I'd say the first two years, almost every trip, not every one, but almost every trip contained some -- an individual Page lil who would be brought on board to have an opinion as to how to -- I don't want to use the word "improve the island,” because I don't think you could improve it, but to -- I can't think what the word would be. To -- what's the word I'm looking for? To develop it. Sorry. That's the word. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Develop -- develop the island. That's the word I'm looking for. So -- so there were trips, constant trips with that in mind. And I would say now if we are moving to the late '90s, ‘96, '97 I definitely witnessed a progression in Mr. Epstein’s behavior, and a modification, if you will. Where in the past, in the early '90s, I don't remember traveling so much with other people. There would be a masseuse or a yoga person, but now he started to travel with more, always a masseuse. Whereas in the past it wasn't always a masseuse or AANA FWNF DUO WAIHI PWN EE BANOO BFWNHRrF OO WMAATHD OB WN EP Xe] Page 112 And he tasked me with finding a local masseuse for him in St. Thomas, because sometimes, even though I say he would always travel with an entourage, sometimes he didn't, and he wanted to have a massage locally. So I visited the mass- -- the spas that were local in St. Thomas and in St. John. And if I met someone, a man or a woman, actually, because it was difficult to find somebody in St. Thomas, it's not exactly, you know. So, and I did find a couple of people who would come. So that's how they came, because also it was a schlep. So if you had somebody who came, it would be -- you would have to, you know, boat ride and you -- several hours. It wasn't just a -- it's not like arriving with your massage table and stuff. So there was that. So I did do that. TODD BLANCHE: So did, over the years, males also give massages to Mr. Epstein? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. I did say, I don't think -- at the beginning, definitely. And I would say towards sort of, again, late '90s, I don't remember any men. They were at the beginning, I think in that -- towards the late '90s, I cannot think of any men. I only think of women. Page 113 TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- well, you talk about entourage flying, right now we're talking about to the island. Did you observe any sexual, I was going to say misconduct, but any sexual -- any sex at all whatsoever on the plane? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Never on the plane, no. TODD BLANCHE: Was there a part of the plane that was closed off from others where Mr. Epstein could go and get a massage or whatever? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah. Okay. So that's a good question. So there were two planes. So you had the -- there was a Gulfstream, and that's open plan. So anything -- I mean, there was a sofa that turned into a bed. And he did sleep on that. And then -- but in the Boeing, which he flew on a lot, there was -- his area could be closed off with a door. And behind that door there would be -- there was a bedroom and an office. So if that N+ oO always an instructor. There was now starting to be always an individual or a friend or whatever. There's always a, like, maybe the word would be entourage, but these were always people in their 20s, late 20s, early 30s in my -- as my memory sees it, as I -- as I observe that time. door was shut, you wouldn't see it. TODD BLANCHE: But do you -- so if you never -- so -- but you never observed Mr. Epstein engaging in sex or getting a massage with somebody -- with whether the masseuse was not clothed on the plane? NON NO FR MAGNA® 29 (Pages 110 to 113) LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022684