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AAD OPFWNF DH OATH UBF WNY HE Page 126 important caveats. Well, on that -- but Julian -- Jane, in my trial, was clearly underage, clearly a child. And I only saw her in Palm Beach and I only saw her with her mother. The other person who's clearly also not an DOJ REDACTION a. aan adult or even close, remember her now. That would be the only two or three, whatever that is. TODD BLANCHE: So did you ever know Mr. Epstein to communicate with FBI agents, either like intelligence FBI agents, like as a source or just generally with FBI agents? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. TODD BLANCHE: Do you think if he had done that, you would've known, like he would've told you something like that? Like if I said to you, Mr. Epstein was a source for the FBI, would you say, that's crazy, no, he wasn't or maybe he was, I would -- he wouldn't have told me that anyway. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I have two answers for that. I think if he was for real, I think he would've bragged about it to me as a show off, because he could be a show off. And if he wasn't, he might have dropped it like he was cool. And I don't think -- I don't remember him doing either. Page 127 Now, with, again, the caveat that in his -- before I met him finding money, I think he may have suggested that there was some people who helped him, but that's the only context that I recall that in. TODD BLANCHE: What do you mean by that? When you said "finding money," what do you mean? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, his business where he -- remember I told you -- TODD BLANCHE: Uh-huh. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- I think in that context, he made -- he showed me a photograph that he had with some African warlords or something that he told me. And, you know, I get -- I don't remember if I -- that's what I interpreted the -- like that kind of thing or whether it was something like that. That's the only actual active memory I have of something nefarious -- not nefarious. I don't even know if it was nefarious, but covert, I suppose would be the word. TODD BLANCHE: And what about any other intelligence agency, like the CIA or Defense Intelligence or any other law enforcement agency? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. I don't think so. I think that -- I don't remember anything like AAD OPFWNF DH OATH UBF WNY HE NM NM NM ND ! Oe WN FO © ornare wWndeE BRB MF O.wo Page 128 that. I just don't think he had the wherewithal and I think that whole aspect of that is -- can I use a bad word? DAVID MARKUS: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: Yes. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Bullshit. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. And what do you -- you think it's bullshit, meaning? What do you mean? DAVID MARKUS: Would you have known if he was -- would he have been bragging to you? Would he have been saying these things. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think he was because I -- I think, well, sorry. I think that -- I think one of the reasons why he liked me was because of my, you know, my family connections and why he liked other people was because they were cool or whatever. And I think that, certainly, early in when I met him, he would've tried to impress me or tried to show off, if you will. Like he was that guy, you know, and he wasn't that guy. And so -- and I think that he would've tried to bullshit me and he didn't, so I think it’s -- TODD BLANCHE: Did -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, he may have tried to bullshit me, but no, I couldn't. Page 129 TODD BLANCHE: Right. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry. TODD BLANCHE: So I want to just shift for a few minutes to talk about post-2000. 2000 to kind of when your relationship changed over the years with him. Did there come a time when he, Mr. Epstein, did meet members of the Royal Family? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: When was that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I need to go back, because I think I may have misspoke -- TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- I didn't misspeak but I -- TODD BLANCHE: Yeah, go ahead. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- it's something that I have forgotten. TODD BLANCHE: Of course. Yeah. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Before I met Epstein, he lived in London for a period of time, I don't know for how long. And he met and knew some truly fancy people, like people -- high society people, that included Princess Diana's best friend. Her name was Rosa Monckton. And Rosa's husband, Dominic Lawson, MAGNA® °°" ""” LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR- 00022688