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oO TN OA PF WN EF Page 138 that again? Relationship is a big word. Like I said, I don't like the word. Let's just start there. Okay. So I have read -- I just want to like piece together. TODD BLANCHE: Well, but don't say -- before you say what you read, because that's one of the problems is that we're all kind of -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: All right. What, I know -- TODD BLANCHE: -- we're all formed by like all the publicity and information around what everybody else has said, but like, what do you -- DAVID MARKUS: Know. TODD BLANCHE: -- what do you think or what did you see? What did you hear? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: What's an even bigger word than bullshit? TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Why? Well, go ahead just -- but finish that thought. Why do you think that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm going to tell you right now. I'm so happy to tell you. I'm like excited. I'm beyond excited. Okay. So there's been a mixture of what ABAD OBFWNF OHM WAT HANO B WN EP NO NO +t rFOoOW Page 139 I've actually seen and know from the evidence and versus what I've put together. Impossible for me at this point to separate everything, but I'll tell you what I know versus what I saw and what I physically have in here, but it's helpful for you to know. So the allegation, I have to go with the allegation. The allegation was that at my house in London, in March, whatever that was, 2001 I believe, we went to London, especially so that ili could have a -- or RB could have a relationship with Prince Andrew and she was paid a vast amount of money for that purpose. Okay. And that she then got in the -- in my bathroom in my house in London and had sex, sexual relations with him and then went into my guest room and had full blown sex and then left my house, or he left, and she felt used and disgusting. And a photograph was taken of them just before all these events took place in my study. That is what is the story. Oh, and then after that she met him several other times. But we'll come to that. We'll come -- this is where it will -- allegedly started. LEAH SAFFIAN: And they went to Tramp. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, right. We went to ornare wWndeE ia oO wo Page 140 nightclub that night. Oh, we went to dinner, right? We went to dinner and then to Tramp. Okay. So the first thing about that weekend, that specific weekend, was it's my mum's 80th birthday and I was in the country. And I have some corroborating evidence for that and a lot of testimonial that you can check. So that takes care of the reason why I -- one of the reasons why her story doesn't hold water. The second reason why -- so -- by the way, when I say that, my mum turned 80th, that actual weekend was, her birthday is on March the 11th. And the reason why I went to London, and I presume, but I -- this I don't remember, is why when we were -- so the whole trip started because of Alberto Pinto, who is the decorator for the island and for -- and for New York as well. And he had wanted Epstein to go to see a house in Marrakesh, if I remember rightly, and went via the Alhambra, it was also for New Mexico. So there's architectural pieces that -- paint. And that was the basis of that trip. And I suspect now, that that trip was planned all around the fact that I had to be in -- wanted to be in -- was going to be in London no Page 141 matter what for my mum's 80th birthday at my brother's house in the country, which is approximately an hour outside of London, an hour and a half -- LEAH SAFFIAN: An hour and a half. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- an hour and a half outside of London, in my brother's home. And we all congregated on the Saturday for her birthday celebration on the Sunday, and then we left. So that's that. The second reason why -- probably maybe even the more important reason than my mum's birthday, that I think it's absolute rubbish, is that Prince Andrew. The idea of him doing anything of that nature in my house, that's the size of this room, is so mind-blowingly not conceivable to me, as the man or what -- I just can't -- I can't even -- I -- no. DAVID MARKUS: Is there any way that it could have happened? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. DAVID MARKUS: Okay. LEAH SAFFIAN: Describe the physical plan. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, the physical -- so the -- my house was tiny. I think it's 900 square MAGNA® 36 (Pages 138 to 141) LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR- 00022691