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own oe WN EF Andrew Cuomo. Yes. Sorry. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Andrew Cuomo's wedding In -- TODD BLANCHE: So when would that have been, approximately? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: 1990. TODD BLANCHE: So before -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: 1999. I don't -- I -- something like that. TODD BLANCHE: But would that have been before you met Mr. Epstein? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Or maybe -- yes. TODD BLANCHE: Did you have a -- any sort of professional or social relationship with John F. Kennedy, Jr.? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I fancied him. TODD BLANCHE: You what? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I thought he was very attractive. TODD BLANCHE: Oh, you fancied him. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry. TODD BLANCHE: Besides him -- finding him attractive and fancying him, did you have any sort of, you know, social relationship with him? Page 155 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, we knew each other. I thought he was wonderful and fun and I enjoyed meeting him, but I -- we went out -- I want to say we had a dinner or two, but obviously I was very excited, but that was it. TODD BLANCHE: And then Alan Dershowitz. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I -- what's the question with Alan? TODD BLANCHE: Do you -- say that again. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: What's the question? TODD BLANCHE: Do you know Mr. Dershowitz? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: Do you know whether he knew Mr. Epstein? Do you know the nature of their relationship? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. I definitely do know Alan. I want -- I'm just trying to remember if I knew him -- I am trying to remember how I met him. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- and if I met him separate from -- I don't remember. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So that I have no recollection. I remember -- I know that he was Epstein's lawyer. I don't know if they had any OAD OB WNHRF DW HO OHI HD OB WN BO NMNNDN DNWD + OP wr rF ow Page 156 relationship prior to that. I don't remember. Oh, I do actually. Sorry. I think they met at the same Martha's Vineyard through Lynn Forester. I think that's what happened. I think that's it. TODD BLANCHE: And why do you think that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Because it just popped into my head. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. And did you -- did you -- you said that Mr. Dershowitz was Mr. Epstein's attorney. Do you know whether they also socialized? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So my personal memory of when I remember two -- [ have two distinct memories with Alan. One is with him and his wife at the island, and I actually remember that. And I remember, I think, going to his house in Boston, if he had a house in Boston, that's -- it was only two times I remember. TODD BLANCHE: Did you ever observe Mr. Dershowitz domg anything inappropriate with young women around Mr. Epstein? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Never. TODD BLANCHE: Did you ever hear anybody -- did anybody ever tell you that he had done Page 157 anything inappropriate? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely not. TODD BLANCHE: Did you ever -- did you -- do you know one way or the other, whether Mr. Dershowitz ever got a massage at the island or any of the locations that he was at with Mr. Epstein? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't remember anything about him ever getting massaged. I don't ever have any recoll- -- I don't believe I ever even saw him ina bathrobe. I have no knowledge of that. TODD BLANCHE: I'm jumping around a little bit. You mentioned, I think briefly the TerraMar Project. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: What is that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I founded TerraMar in -- well, the idea of TerraMar came, I think in 2010. So I want to just explain TerraMar a little bit. So Ted and I bought a boat -- well, Ted bought the boat. Andi its -- basis of the boat was to do explorations and sea -- sea exploratory stuff. This really started because I have, and have had since I was a child, a love of the ocean and everything aquatic. And I've always been, I just -- MAGNA® 40 (Pages 154 to 157) LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022695