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onwtrn Oe WN EP Page 162 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I wouldn't say -- first of all, I wouldn't say I had any type of relationship with Harvey Weinstein -- TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- in any context. Socially, I would meet him because I would go to events that Harvey would be at and also his wife was English back then, Georgina. And I was, I mean, friendly also, would be a big word, more acquaintance. So we would see each other and I would go to Miramax events, be -- there was a couple of people who worked for Harvey who I was friendly with, his primary producer whose name is Meryl Poster, who I was friendly with, and yeah. TODD BLANCHE: Do you know whether Mr. Epstein had his own relationship with Mr. Weinstein? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He did. TODD BLANCHE: Did they socialize together at the island or in Palm Beach, or in New Mexico? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I never saw Harvey at any of Epstein's houses. So socialize -- I don't know that they were friends. I mean, I can't see them together, either. I mean, literally. Page 163 But I know that they certainly do that. I would imagine -- and in fact, I think I have a memory, but I can't -- that when Harvey was trying to raise money for whatever his business was called, I can't remember what his business was called. Maybe he went there, because Epstein was good at raising money. I just don't know. But I never saw them. I don't -- I don't recall seeing Harvey in any of the properties. TODD BLANCHE: Let's just go a few more minutes and take a break, I know it's after lunch. So do you -- we talked several hours ago about your father and his business a little bit. After your father passed, do you know whether Mr. Epstein was involved in your family business, that you know of? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely not, in any respect. First of all, there was no family business left. Start with that problem. And the second one is, my family didn't like him very much. And they were busy dealing with their own problems and there was no relationship whatsoever. Oh, I mean, he -- my mum and he got along quite well. That was it. But that was -- she’s an old lady and, you know, he was nice to her. onda owt WNHE PRPPRPRPPrP re EE OMAAITINAOKRWNHE OL OAD OP WNF DO WAIN PWN EF NBM MB NHNDND ?t oF WHER OW Page 164 TODD BLANCHE: We're repeat -- we're now being a little repetitive, but you're confident that before you met Mr. Epstein, he didn't know your father, and so there's no -- he wouldn't have done business with your father's companies in the '80s either. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely not. I'ma hundred percent sure of that. I never met him. I never saw him. I never heard his name. No. Nothing. TODD BLANCHE: So there's been a lot of conversations about whether Mr. Epstein maintained, like, a list of people, like a book of famous people that he knew. Like a, it's called a black book or a client list or a list. Did you know of the existence of any such list? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: There is no list. We'll start with that. The genesis of that story, I can actually trace for you from its absolute inception, if that is what you're interested in. TODD BLANCHE: Itis. DAVID MARKUS: Well, first, you know, to be short, there is no list, there's no client list. Nothing like that. Page 165 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, there is nothing like that. TODD BLANCHE: That you know of. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That I -- obviously. TODD BLANCHE: Right. Yeah. Okay. So you say you think you know the genesis, so go ahead. Tell us. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'd like you to know that I have brought some supporting corroborative evidence to -- TODD BLANCHE: Well, tell me what it is, too, and then we'll get the corroboration. LEAH SAFFIAN: Well, why don't you tell him first. DAVID MARKUS: Is this -- 1s this -- do you want to take a break here because this is a long -- TODD BLANCHE: It's a long story. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah, this is long. TODD BLANCHE: Yeah, let's take a break. SPENCER HORN: All right. The time is 2:03 and we're going to take a break right now. (Off the record at 2:03 p.m.) SPENCER HORN: All right. We're resuming the recorded proffer of Ms. Maxwell. It is 2:16 on MAGNA® 42 (Pages 162 to 165) LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR- 00022697