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DAATNOAFWNHRF DMO WAIHD OF WN FE Page 170 is evidence. There it says that Brad Edwards was the only lawyer that she was allowed to talk to. Sol just want to preface that. The reason why I know that she went behind Acosta's back, and everything else to do this, is because Brad Edwards in a podcast made the revelation. What he says is that he'd never heard of the CVRA case before, and Villafana called him and told him to file it. The sole purpose of the CVRA was to overturn the non-prosecution agreement. So what I believe is that Villafana worked with Brad Edwards, who she had also been -- he was the lawyer that she had selected as a pro bono lawyer for some of the victims. And he was also working for Rothstein's firm, that was under RICO investigation for that entire time, creating fake evidence in Epstein's case. And she had just filed hidden secret using Edwards to overturn the NPA by filing the -- this CVRA case, that sole purpose was to overturn it. And so when he approached her with the list, this was part of the effort to utilize and find new evidence to support the overturning, either of the NPA and/or a new case against Epstein. Because Brad Edwards -- or I don't know it Page 171 was Brad Edwards. Because Rothstein's firm asked my then boyfriend for $10 million, to kick me out of suits that I had no knowledge of at that time whatsoever, I now know that the base of this story was a blackmail of a billionaire, because Ted Waitt was a multi-billionaire. He had everything. He was way, way more wealthy than Epstein, if anyone cares. And that is the reason why Ted and I broke up, was the basis of that. TODD BLANCHE: So -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And that list was created -- so then the -- the masseuses that were on that list, I have never heard of some of them. I -- not even from the civil suits that had come up since I've seen it. And this is me now knowing what's in the list today. And I believe that -- oh, Alfredo Rodriguez, so there's a metamorphosis of this list. So the original statement that Brad Edwards makes, that's in the documents contemporaneously, is that it's pieces of paper that Alfredo has. It then morphs into something that Alfredo took a book, that Alfredo took from Epstein's computer, but there's no computer I know. Certainly oO TN OA PF WN EF RRR NFO wo Page 172 not in 2005 when this was allegedly taken, that came out as a book. And then it morphed into, at the civil time -- my civil case, into a book that was taken from my computer. And then it morphed into the Southern District of New York as a combination list of mine and Epstein’s. That is a metamorphosis through documents that you can trace. TODD BLANCHE: So the -- in your mind, or from what you just described, there is a list, it’s just manufactured. Meaning, have you seen the list, even fake? Like do you know -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: [haven't seen it, but what I -- TODD BLANCHE: So just -- I was confused GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I guess my thing is that what Brad Edwards says in all of these things is -- in the paperwork and whatnot. And in -- so all this story is basically controlled by five people. There's four alleged victims that speak about the list and the blackmail and the men and the sex and whatnot -- And the lawyers and now the prosecutors, sorry. The Southern District of New York for sure. But no one else. Page 173 None of these stories carry from any of the 44, alleged, original victims. They never ever say that they were farmed out to anybody. TODD BLANCHE: But the list itself -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: -- where is it? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: There is no list, but Brad Edwards said that he created the list. TODD BLANCHE: So that's what I was a little confused about. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry. He created a list. He -- so in that book that Alfredo Rodriguez produced, that became evidence, Exhibit 52 in my trial, has markings all over it. Circles and dots and whatnot. TODD BLANCHE: Uh-huh. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And Brad Edwards says that he got Alfredo Rodriguez to mark up the book of all the people who were involved. It includes Alan Dershowitz, for the record, who's marked. I don't remember what it does with Donald Trump. I don't -- I don't know. You'd have to look. I don't have it. But I believe -- TODD BLANCHE: I see. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So what he did, he MAGNA® 44 (Pages 170 to 173) LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022699