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oO TN OA PF WN EF Page 174 marked up -- I don't know who. Somebody marked up that book of names, and I think all the names of the people that they went for were originally selected between two sources. One was this alleged book of names, and one was also from the telephone logs that were collected from the house in Palm Beach. And just to finish it off, there is a note -- I have some papers for you if you wanted them, where Brad Edwards says that he has a list of 25 men that he got money off -- TODD BLANCHE: So -- okay. So the list that everybody, the black book, the list, what you're saying is that your -- your Exhibit 52 from your trial, which is like a -- more of an address book, a Rolodex type thing, that Mr. Rodriguez -- Alfredo Rodriguez, your understanding, is that somewhere along the way he went through and kind of marked that list to say -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't know where that book actually comes from. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't know what that book is. That book is some type of a compilation, but what it is, is it's just pieces of paper with type. So if you had -- you could have made a list. Page 175 onwtrn Oe WN EP PRPRPRPRPRP Au S&S wWwNHE Ow I could put -- TODD BLANCHE: But you're referring to something that's been public for a long, if we're thinking about the same thing. You're talking about the -- you're right, it's like a bunch of different types of paper or whatever. I only have a copy of it, but with big parts of it redacted publicly, because there was people's addresses and whatnot on it. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. That's what I'm talking about. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So it -- oh, perfect. Yes. So you will find -- TODD BLANCHE: We're looking at Exhibit 52 now. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. So you're looking at Exhibit 52. So the one they produced, they, the Southern District of New York actually produced a book for me to see it as evidence, the actual thing it was. And I -- it has marks, it has tabs, it has things, it has names I've never seen. It had -- like that list -- those -- that list was basically the names that they choose to produce at trial. Now, in OAD OP WNF DO WAIN PWN EF NO NM BD +t Nr OWo Page 176 Rothstein Adler's firm, I also have some documents where Rothstein -- his original scheme, Rothstein Adler, was to place prostitutes. He had a bar, a dance bar where he had girls. And I believe he would use them and put them as fake secretaries in people's offices, and then she might touch him or he might touch her or something, and boom, he got $25,000 for that. And those girls --now, I'm not saying that those are the girls that came in Epstein's case necessarily, but the -- TODD BLANCHE: So -- but again, let's -- like, so we're separating the evidence that came in at your trial and what you just talked about with Brad Edwards and Mr. Rodriguez. During the time that you were with Mr. Epstein, and even in the 2000s when you were around less frequently, you never observed or you never saw any sort of list or black book or a list of individuals who, you know, linked to certain masseuses or -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely no. TODD BLANCHE: -- anything like that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely no. There is no list. There is no -- I'm not aware of any Page 177 blackmail. I never heard that. I never saw it and I never imagined it. TODD BLANCHE: While we're on this topic, just -- and again, I know we're jumping around and we've been going on it for a while, so I apologize. But there's recently been reports about a birthday book that you assembled for Mr. Epstein, I think, for his 50th birthday in 2003. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true. TODD BLANCHE: What do you know about that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So, my mum dida birthday book for my father at his 60th. And when I -- Epstein would talk about his 50th, he said, I don't know what I'm going to do. And I said, well, these are nice things, my mom did this book for my dad. He said, I love that idea. He said, can you help coordinate it? And he organized who -- he called a lot of the people himself. I coordinated the putting together of the book. And some -- in some instances, I called people that asked them to contribute -- TODD BLANCHE: And what was in the book? Like what was the ask of the people you called? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: It's his 50th MAGNA® 45 (Pages 174 to 177) LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022700