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AAD OPFWNF DH OATH UBF WNY HE Page 186 that would add names to it? Like if a masseuse came and leaves and Mr. Epstein says yes, she was good, would you be part -- like, how, how was the list kind of maintained or who maintained it? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Typically, no -- TODD BLANCHE: No. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- because there would be an assistant who would do that. Plus, Epstein would not allow me to answer the telephone ever. So -- or maintain or keep any of his messages in the office or at the house. So typically that wouldn't be, because I wouldn't be the one. Could I say to you I never did it? No, of course not. Because that just seems ludicrous. But as a rule of thumb, the answer would be no. TODD BLANCHE: During the 2007, '08, ‘09, investigation -- the investigation out of the Southern District of Florida. So you said that you weren't contacted by law enforcement. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I was not. TODD BLANCHE: After Mr. Epstein was charged, did you have conversations with him about the investigation? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He never talked to me Page 187 about it. TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, I can't -- let's put it this way. If he did, I have no recollection of it. I mean, I'm sure he must have said, this is all -- whatever he said or it's nothing or whatever. I mean, I just don't have any -- I just don't have any memory. I mean, I just -- I was with Ted. My -- I was like gone. I mean, plus I just didn't want to know either, I suppose. TODD BLANCHE: So you don't know, firsthand, why the U.S. Attorney in Florida made the deal that he did? Meaning you weren't part of that discussion along the way. Like Mr. Epstein didn't say, I'm getting a good deal or, you know, I -- something is happening with the case that's very good. You were -- to the extent you know anything about it, it's just from what you've heard or read from others, not from Mr. Epstein; is that right? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He never talked about the non-prosecution directly with me, no. But he did onwtrn Oe WN EP NNNFPRPRPRPRPRP PRP RB NF OW MOATA UB WHE OO ©& No iS onan OB WN TE NNNNNFPRPRPRPRPRPRP RPE BE BWNEFE Ow OTA UO BWNHE Ow Page 188 DAVID MARKUS: But it's still enforceable as to her. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, he never said, hey, do you -- are you happy with this deal like that. But I understood. He never -- he never enjoined me to the NPA, but I understand that he included me, specifically, and I'll tell you why. DAVID MARKUS: Well, it’s okay. You don't need to get into that. TODD BLANCHE: No, no. Yeah. I'm not -- I don't want to talk about the legal -- the -- what's on appeal. I'm just -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I -- well, I wasn't. TODD BLANCHE: The reason for my question, just to be -- I'm not trying to hide something, but there's a very strong belief that he got a very good deal. And that he should -- she -- he should have been sentenced to more time or got a different sentence from the feds than a non-prosecution agreement. And I'm not asking you to opine on that, but I'm wondering whether he ever talked to you about that. But it sounds like he didn't. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That he got a good Page 189 deal. No. I think actually -- well, his comments that I've read was that he didn't get a good deal. And I think that the, you know, when he fought it so hard is because he didn't think he did. TODD BLANCHE: When he was serving his sentence, were you ever -- were you around during that time, like when he was allowed to leave during the day or travel during the day? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I never called him. I never saw him and I never went to the jail. TODD BLANCHE: So I'm going to ask you questions that you shouldn't read into them. I just want to know whether you -- whether they resonate with you. Have you ever had any contact with any representative, that you know of, from Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Can you ask me that again. TODD BLANCHE: Has -- have you ever had any contact with an individual that you understand to be from Mossad, an Israeli intelligence agency? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, not deliberately. TODD BLANCHE: Pardon me? MAGNA® 48 (Pages 186 to 189) LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022703