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ODr~wAnA OAR WNHeRF OCW WAIN OO PWN PB Page 190 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Not deliberately. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. And did you know -- we asked this -- we talked about this a little bit earlier, but just to put a finer point on it. Did you ever know that Mr. -- did you ever -- were you ever told -- did you ever think that Mr. Epstein was getting any money from any intelligence agency, including Mossad? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I don't believe so, but I wouldn't know. I mean, I would be very surprised if he did. I don't think so. No. TODD BLANCHE: We've talked about a lot of names and I'm sure we've -- there's some that we haven't covered. Are there any foreign nationals -- so right now we've talked about some British, the Royal Family a little bit, and maybe high society folks in Britain. Were there any international businessmen or politicians that had a very close relationship or a close relationship with Mr. Epstein, that we haven't already talked about? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Off the top of my, head, I can think of Ehud Barak. TODD BLANCHE: You said that Mr. Epstein at some point in the mid to late '90s he started Page 191 taking testosterone. Did you ever know him to take any other drugs? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I mean, he took pills for his heart, I think, but I don't -- no other -- no substances. TODD BLANCHE: What -- do you know anything about his heart condition? I know we talked about this at, you know, 9:45 this morning. But do you know anything about his heart condition, beyond that you understood he had a heart condition that affected his ability to have sex? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Other than what he told me, no. He never shared anything, but he did take pills. I don't know what -- I don't know anything above that. And like I said, he did the testosterone, which made him mean. TODD BLANCHE: And we're jumping around a little bit. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry. TODD BLANCHE: Sorry. Do you know someone named Donald Barr? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. TODD BLANCHE: He is -- I can represent to you, was a former headmaster of the Dalton School, which you mentioned earlier. AAD OPFWNF DH OATH UBF WNY HE NM NM NM ND ! Oe WN FO © BANOO BFWNHRrF OO WMAATHD OB WN EP Page 192 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: All right. TODD BLANCHE: Do you remember any conversations with Epstein about a book that Mr. Barr wrote called Space Relations? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I've never heard of that. TODD BLANCHE: About aliens and sex? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. No. TODD BLANCHE: Do you know whether -- well, have you ever met the former Attorney General of the United States Bill Barr? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. TODD BLANCHE: Do you remember whether Mr. Epstein knew him or whether his name ever came up in conversations you had with Mr. Epstein? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't recall any. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Did you have a relationship or know -- I'm using "relationship," but I appreciate you don't like that word. Do you have -- did you know Mr. Epstein's brother Mark Epstein? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: How did you know him? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Through Jeffrey. TODD BLANCHE: How would you describe your Page 193 relationship; close, friendly? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: My personal? TODD BLANCHE: Yes. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Not that close, but friendly enough. I mean, you know. TODD BLANCHE: How was Jeffrey Epstein's relationship with his brother Mark from what you observed? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, they were brotherly, but I think that -- I don't know. I don't know. They had periods when they were closer and then when they weren't. I think sometimes Epstein found his brother irritating. TODD BLANCHE: And I think I know the answers, given what you just said about Bill Barr, but did you ever hear any -- from Mr. Epstein or anybody else -- that Bill Barr had any role in Mr. Epstein getting a good plea deal in Florida, or any role in that process with Mr. Acosta? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I never heard that. TODD BLANCHE: I think you said this in an interview, but if I'm wrong forgive me. Do you have a view of Mr. Epstein of whether he committed suicide or whether something else happened? DAVID MARKUS: Can we take a break? MAGNA® 49 (Pages 190 to 193) LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR- 00022704