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ODr~wAnA OAR WNHeRF OCW WAIN OO PWN PB Page 194 TODD BLANCHE: Want to take a break? DAVID MARKUS: Yeah, sure. TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. We can take a break. Yeah. Sure. Actually, it's a good time to take a break anyway, because it's to be the last one of the day. SPENCER HORN: All right. So we're going to take a break at -- it's 2:53, Thursday, July 24th. (Off the record at 2:53 p.m.) SPENCER HORN: We are continuing with the recorded proffer of Ms. Maxwell. The time is now 3:10 p.m., Thursday, July 24th. TODD BLANCHE: My colleagues alerted me to a couple questions I think I may have forgotten to ask you. One is -- sorry, I'm just going through my notes. Well, we talked few minutes ago about this birthday book that there's press about. I understand you don't remember anything with President Trump or a lot about the book anyway. Do you remember asking President Trump to submit a letter for that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not. TODD BLANCHE: And do you remember -- would you have been the one to do that or could Page 195 somebody else -- would somebody else have done that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did ask some people. I don't remember Mr. Trump. I don't remember who I did ask, but Epstein also asked people himself directly. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So it could have happened that way, if it happened at all. TODD BLANCHE: Where is that? DIEGO PESTANA: You mentioned Ehud Barak. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. DIEGO PESTANA: What was his involvement? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: This would've been in the later 2000's. So I do not know how they met, but I do know that they -- I don't know if friendly would be the right word. I don't know that, but I know that they saw each other and only because my father -- you know, anything that touches Israel or the state of Israel, I'm always interested in, because my father loved Israel and so I pay attention to it and we have ties to, you know, to Israel. TODD BLANCHE: When you said it was later though -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Ties meaning friends and family relations. on TIMA OB WN TE Ne] ornare wWndeE Ne] 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 196 TODD BLANCHE: Was the Prime Minis- was Mr. Barak, Prime Minister Barak, do you know what the nature of his relationship was with Mr. Epstein? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't. TODD BLANCHE: Do you know -- were you ever with them together? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think I met -- I have a memory of meeting Ehud, but I don't know if he was with Epstein or -- I don't remember. I just know that I did see him and I'm trying -- struggling to remember the context around it, but if] -- if -- I'm sure it happened, but it must have been very brief. Because I don't have any serious memory of it. Any like, deep memory of that. TODD BLANCHE: And maybe this is obvious -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And maybe it comes also because I've read it in the press. That may be something that brought it to my memory. So that's also -- I mean, I'm also -- I think the press has been very contaminating, so I just -- it's hard sometimes to separate those stories from your memory sometimes. TODD BLANCHE: Do you know a British gymnast by the name of Heather Mann? Page 197 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: Did she -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I didn't know she was a gymnast. TODD BLANCHE: Oh, okay. I'm reading something that says she was a gymnast, but please don't assume that that's correct. This is based upon my words. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. TODD BLANCHE: Did she ever travel with you and/or Mr. Epstein? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think, yeah, she did actually. I think that she might have been one of Mr. Epstein's girlfriends at some point. TODD BLANCHE: What -- again, I know we're talking about time periods that are vast. What time period would that have been? Like after you -- like since 2000? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I want to say -- I don't know, it could be the '90s -- could be the ‘90s, I don't know. But I mean, listen, there are people that pop out of the woodwork all the time. I just saw one on TV saying she was his girlfriend in ‘93 and '94. So I mean, he obviously was very busy. LEAH SAFFIAN: Or she's lying. MAGNA® 50 (Pages 194 to 197) LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022705