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AAD OPFWNF DH OATH UBF WNY HE Page 198 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Or there's that. TODD BLANCHE: Did - someone named Mark Middleton -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes, I remember him. TODD BLANCHE: Who was that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He was in the -- Mr. Clinton's administration -- President Clinton's administration, I think. TODD BLANCHE: And how do you -- do you know him? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I met him and that is -- I met him through Mr. Epstein. TODD BLANCHE: And do you -- was he, from what you observed, was he a friend or business acquaintance of Mr. Epstein? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, I only saw him a handful of times, but I did see him with him. I mean, he seemed friendly. I don't know if I would characterize -- I mean, only having seen him briefly, I don't know how to characterize that. TODD BLANCHE: Do you know whether he like flew on airplanes with Mr. Epstein? Did he visit the island? Do you know anything about that or their relationship as it relates to that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I never -- I don't Page 199 have any recollection of seeing Mark Middleton at the island. TODD BLANCHE: How about former US Senator George Mitchell? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah, I do remember George. TODD BLANCHE: What do you remember about him? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I traveled with him. We went to -- the most memorable affair I went to -- well, I was friendly with his wife. Start with that, with Heather. And Heather was in New York, so I hung out with her a few times. We had dinner and I was just friendly, I would say separately with -- separately from her husband. I was friends with Heather. I met Heather through her husband, but we became friends. TODD BLANCHE: You became friends with Heather? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Heather, yes. TODD BLANCHE: Was Mr. Epstein friends with, Mr. Mitchell? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: Did they travel together besides New York? Did they travel to the island or oO TN OA PF WN EF NNNNNNRPRPRPRPRPRPRP RRP BR OBWNHEF OO DAAIAUOKRWNHE Ow onan OB WN TE NNNNNNFRPRPRPRPRPRP RPE BE OB WNHE OW OAA UO BWNHE Ow Page 200 to New Mexico? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't -- I don't remember George ever at the island. But the most memorable trip I do recall with Senator was to Italy. TODD BLANCHE: Was to where? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: To Italy. TODD BLANCHE: Ah, okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: We went to Rome. TODD BLANCHE: As the four of you. So Heather and Mr. Mitchell, and you and Mr. Epstein? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's my recollection. TODD BLANCHE: And what were you there for? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, the most memorable aspect of that trip is we went to the Vatican. It was extraordinary, the most extraordinary thing was going to the archives and holding Henry VIII's document to the Pope asking for his divorce. TODD BLANCHE: Do you know the former president of Colombia, Andr?s Pastrana? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: How do you know him? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I met Andr?s Pastrana Page 201 in a pub in Dublin. TODD BLANCHE: And did he travel with Mr. Epstein, that you know? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't -- I don't know if -- I don't know if he ever was ever on the plane. I don't know if he ever -- I don't think he ever came to the island. But, I went to places with Andr?s Pastrana. One was to Colombia and Epstein came to that, and the other was to Cuba and Epstein and Andr?s Pastrana was -- I think was there. TODD BLANCHE: And what were the purposes of traveling to Colombia, then Cuba? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I am a helicopter pilot and Andr?s is a helicopter pilot. And we just became friends and I flew a Blackhawk in Colombia. TODD BLANCHE: And how about to Cuba? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: My -- [ have a friend of mine who was the cigar distributor for Montecristo maybe, I can't remember which cigar it was. And so we went there, and he organized the trip and we met Fidel Castro. TODD BLANCHE: When was that, approximately? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Had to be -- it had to be 2002, 2003. MAGNA® 51 (Pages 198 to 201) LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR- 00022706