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onda owt WNHE Page 202 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Something like that, I think. TODD BLANCHE: There's some more names that we might talk about tomorrow with the same type of questions, just -- but as far as a catchall, there's been a tremendous amount of public information about all kinds of names, including some of the folks we talked about today and their relationship with Mr. Epstein and or you. For any of the folks that we've talked about today, did you observe them doing anything improper with Mr. Epstein, whether with masseuses or with women who were -- or girls who were traveling or at the residence that they were at or at the parties that they were at? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did not ever, at any time, see that. TODD BLANCHE: And for any of the names we've talked about today, and then tomorrow we'll talk about some more, but for today, do you recall having any conversations with anybody else, where they reported to you that they had seen something that one of these individuals had done, whether someone else that works with Mr. Epstein or somebody Page 203 AAD OPFWNF DH OATH UBF WNY HE that observed something? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: If anybody had ever reported anything -- first of all, the answer to that isno. And also, I just want to be clear that had anybody ever reported anything illegal or disgusting like that, I would've immediately done something. And I never heard it. I never saw it. And no one ever, ever, ever complained to me or tears, nothing like that. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. All right. So we took a break when we were talking about Mr. Epstein and his death. Oh, bless you. That's okay. Take your time. So Mr. Epstein and his death. So you were not, obviously, at the MCC during that time, correct. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Thank you. DAVID MARKUS: Oh, thanks. I thought you were giving it to him. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I've got something that blew up my nose. TODD BLANCHE: So just take some water. It's okay, no problem. You were not at the MCC during that time, correct? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I was not. oO TN OA PWN EE ay oO © Page 204 TODD BLANCHE: So you're going to tell us what you believe, but just to -- I just want to make sure I understand, your basis for belief is kind of what you've read and seen and your knowledge of Mr. Epstein for the many years you knew them -- knew him, right? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And actually there's a third component. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: The answer to that is, yes. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And there's a third component to that, which is having experienced now, the mismanagement and inefficiencies and total dereliction of duty at the Bureau of Prisons. TODD BLANCHE: From BOP. From the Bureau of Prisons. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Fair. Okay. So, you know, I want to -- what I do want to be careful about is -- you know, asking you to speculate, because anybody can do that. And I don't think that's fair to you or anybody else to ask you to give us your kind of opinion. Page 205 But, do you think that -- the third point you say, which is kind of a failure by the BOP, there's been a lot of -- there's an OIG report, there's SDNY investigation about that. Do you -- so you think he was -- he did not die by suicide, given all the things we just talked about. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not believe he died by suicide, no. TODD BLANCHE: And do you believe that -- do you have any speculation or view of who killed him? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I -- no, I don't. TODD BLANCHE: And I ask that because, if you don't believe that there’s any truth to the allegations of blackmail or that he had kind of a list, or that he had reasons to have people hate him, why would somebody kill him in prison? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: In prison, where I am, they will kill you or they will pay -- somebody can pay a prisoner to kill you for $25 worth of commissary. That's about the going rate for a hit with a lock today. TODD BLANCHE: So that goes to the third reason, which is kind of the mismanagement. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. MAGNA® 52 (Pages 202 to 205) LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022707