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OBATNDOBRPWNF COW WOAIDHD OF WN FP Page 210 That's a hundred percent true. And the degree to which that took place, I'm not -- I don't recall. There was definitely some of that, though. I don't want to mislead you. TODD BLANCHE: And we touched on this earlier, but I just want to -- I don't think we really ran it to ground maybe as much as we could like. Going up through that time, you know, so in the '16, '17, '18, up until the time he's arrested, had your view or your understanding of what had happened changed? Meaning did you believe that in the late ‘90s or early 2000s when he started, you know, behaving much differently. Did you believe what you were hearing about him at that point? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: My views, I didn't like the people he was with anyway. So I don't find -- how do I say this? I don't like -- I like people who my age or older, and I don't find the society of, or the companionship of younger people who are young people, I suppose, is really that enjoyable. So I don't like the company that he chose to be with, and so I just was -- I find it boring and fundamentally uninteresting. That's probably the nicest way I can say it. Page 211 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. Okay. So I think what we should do is just spend a few minutes talking about tomorrow. Everything was great today. I think that we -- it was very helpful and I appreciate you trying to be as complete as you can. I think tomorrow -- you've said a few things today about materials that you brought. When we're done, we will give you a few minutes with Mr. Markus to -- if there's things that you want to show him that you think we should see. Like I said, I'm not asking you to corroborate anything. If I was asking you to corroborate something, I would tell you, but if there's something you think that you don't think that the government has seen or you think that is important for me to see, let Mr. Markus know and he can share it with me. Tomorrow we'll certainly have some follow-on questions when we all think about tonight. And I think you will too. You know, we can all think about stuff we've talked about. We covered a lot of different areas. We are -- I do want to talk about more about you. So by design today we wanted to focus on Mr. Epstein and talk about, you know, kind of, well, DAATNOAFWNHRF DMO WAIHD OF WN FE 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 oO TN OA PWN EE PRP RP WN FO wo Page 212 everything under the sun that we've gone through today. I do think it's important when we all evaluate what you've said today, and kind of your story to understand, to also understand your -- why you're here, right? So you were indicted, you were charged, you went to trial. And I want to do that in a way that gives you an opportunity to say -- to kind of say your piece or to say what you haven't said before. But also understanding that there was people who took the witness stand and swore to tell the truth and testified about you, and what you did, and what they think you saw and what they heard you say. And I'm not -- I said to Mr. Markus, I'm not trying to create a kind of a she said, she said situation or he said, she said situation. But I do want to hear from you about your conduct, because it's important, I think, for when we evaluate what you say and how you say it and your recollection of things to also to talk about that. So we're going to -- we'll do that tomorrow. I want to talk about, you know, the circumstances leading up to your arrest. There's a Page 213 lot of, I think, misinformation or there's a lot of information out there that -- I don't know whether there's misinformation, but about the time from, you know, 2019 up until the time that you were -- that you were arrested. And then, like I said, that'll take us through lunch tomorrow and then we'll be done. I'm not -- I don't have a plan. I didn't know that I was coming here until this week, okay? So I'm not -- there isn't like a -- we don't have like a schedule of what happens next or what happens. But the -- but that's not a negative thing. I'm just saying that that's -- so you shouldn't take the lack of a next step as anything other than, we don't have a next step yet, so. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: May I say something? TODD BLANCHE: Of course, yes. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I just would like to put out there that I also focused on how I think the president got swept into some of this unnecessarily, by the way. And I'm not a conspiracy theorist, and I certainly don't subscribe to all the -- all of everything that I see. But I do believe that there is animus in some areas that may have contributed to how the use MAGNA® 54 (Pages 210 to 213) LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022709