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Page 229 And so I like to trade and so I did and did well. And so then I would tell him what I was doing. Now, whether he did or he didn't, he told me he matched me in some other accounts that he had. Because he did a lot of -- he -- my observation, to go back to what he did, I observed him personally and have recollection -- personal recollection of him trading this money, lots. Tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars. TODD BLANCHE: That was -- that he was for other people -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: or that was his own GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I want also to clarif something for you or clarify or underline. Wexner was, in my opinion, his closest friend in this time period from when I met him in '91, right, all the way until-- well, ‘til I don't know. Because I was t that friendly with -- well, I did travel with Mr. Wexner, but Epstein told me that Wexner didn't want to be seen too much wit me, because of my family problems. You know, whet that was -- BLANCHE: You mean the problems that MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR- 00022772