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Page 237 around 2010, on the island in the Caribbean for a couple days, did you -- have you seen -- do you know Mr. Musk beyond that time? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: We met at -- the Oscars and we met at the Oscars. TODD BLANCHE: What year was that, earlier or later? GHISLA : It was post that believe. TODD BLANCHE: And do you know whether Epstein knew Mr. Musk? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I believ they did. And the only reason I say that is not from my memory, but because I saw -- I think I saw -- my memory is that in discovery, they were communicating on email. TODD BLANCHE: So you have no personal knowledge of tha GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I have no -- TODD BLANCHE: t's just what you've -- what you've seen from the press or from discovery? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I believe his brother as well, actually. TODD BLANCHE: Excuse me? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Mr. Musk's brother as don't -- my -- like I said, my memory is MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022780