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TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE ELL: Okay. The '80s. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So we're talking about the 1980s. And the GHISLAINE MAXWELL: The -- I was the -- had a very, very longstanding boyfriend and he had his brother was dating Mary at the time, and we were very good friends. TODD BLANCHE: And then Mr. Epstein -- did Epstein meet Bobby Kennedy through you? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't I don't think so, because Mr. Epstein, surprisingly, everyone says everything happened through me. That's just true. I mean, I think yesterday I explained that he had friends from London, and those are very -- they were what the people would call fancy." TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: They were people. And -- but he had the same types relationships before I met him in America. So when met him, he was already, you know, Wexner and he had Henry and he had -- he was --I don't know if then he was at the -- in the Council of Foreign Relations, but he was friends with Ace and, you know, like he MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022785