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he was well established. TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He didn't need me. And he was, you know, his -- Eva was, you know, major model. So he had all these modeling connections and friends in that business, long bet Fore I met him. TODD BLANCHE: And so the trip that you t on with Mr. Epstein and Bobby Kennedy, was that the '90s and 2000s when -- GHISLAINE MAXWI think it was in lLd've been i want to say '93, BLANCHE: Okay. So a very long time ELL: A very, very long time TODD BLANCHE: A few years into the -- your relationship -- a few years into the time that you knew Mr. Epstein? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. I mean, I dontt want to hold myself to the dates because really -- TODD BLANCHE: No, no. I'm not holding you to dates. I think GHISLAINE MAXWI Because I really don't MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022786