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Page 252 President. TODD BLANCHI! GHISLAINE MAXWI 2 I think this is -- but I'm right, and I think I am, I think that trip happened when Epstein and Clinton had never even -- not that they'd never met, because Epstein had gone to the White House, but they had no met. I'd never asked Epstein for the plane then because they'd never met and it would be weird. But they met because of me and the plane was because of But that trip was the first, I think, the first took with the ex-president. And I don't Epstein and he had met. And we're talking a time period when trying to -- TODD BLANCHI! GHISLAINE MAXWI : -- leave. Not very successfully obviously, b I was branching out on my own and being more independent of Mr. Epstein and trying to -- all kinds of businesses that I was into. was trying to start the first telehealt medicine with the Cleveland Clinic. I mean, I'm no going to bore you, because I don't think that's wha you guys are interested in, but those were th sorts of things that I was looking for him to finance, so MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022795