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never even saw them have it. I never
saw them fill it in. And then there was a second set
of logs, the -- the flight manifests. And I never
saw those either. I was never -- I was never
allowed, I suppose. Because he didn't want me to
see.
TODD BLANCHE: Do you know -- so do you
whether Mr. Epstein had a separate relationship
-- with President Clinton, different from the
you just described? So different than being
him, with respect to his foundation or something
this?
GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I would say no.
TODD BLANCHE: When's the last time that
you went on a trip or saw President Clinton?
GHISLAINE MAXWELL: It was in -- was late
2000 and, I don't know, '16, '17, '18, something
in -- it was in Los Angeles.
TODD BLANCHE: And what was the purpose of
that meeting?
GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think he was hosting
something or he was at an event and I was in L.A. and
had dinner with him.
TODD BLANCHE: Had -- did you ever meet
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