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Page 260 friend, not for -- I don't -- there was no -- I don't remember any reason, either was somehow communicated that was in coming, driving back past Chappaqua or if they were home and stop in. And it's -- I know it sounds a little flippant, but it could -- it could have even something as -- TODD BLANCHE: And do you know whether Mr. Epstein had -- knew or had any sort of visit dealings or -- associated with Hillary Clinton? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I would say no. TODD BLANCHE: Did -- did you ever see them together? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. TODD BLANCHE: Did -- do you know whether Epstein ever did any business transactions with Clintons? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I would -- well, I'm sure I can. I'm not sure how to quite -- I don't know the answer to that strictly, because, I was -- was part of the beginning process of the Clinton Global Initiative. And that was something that I helped with and that was me, and Epstein may have helped me help them. And in that context, he may well have involved MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022803