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are you talking about? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well -- TODD BLANCHE: Like '90s, or 2000s, or GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think the 2000s, actually, for that. You can date that because it was from when he -- I think he probably knew Frederic before he dated Elizabeth. But -- TODD BLANCHE: And when you say they were very friendly, did they go -- did they travel together? GHISLA EF MAXWELL: I don't know if traveled together, I mean, Epstein didn't go ou much or -- I mean, he did go out, but not sometimes if he did, I think he would go maybe see Fred- -- Frederic. And then there was -- I mean, he hada bunch of guys that he would -- I would know that he would see or meet, but he really -- I guess now -- so he had new friends. I I don't know, but TODD BLANCHE: Okay. What other names? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay, so Henry Jarecki, who had an island near his. Henry was a financier who was the guy who cornered the silver market back in the day. MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022818