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Page 279 I'm saying this. I was not responsible for these -- for this area of interest. I mean, I certainly -- sorry, just to bounce a second before it slips my mind and I leave something out There was an institute in New Mexico called -- anyone? The institute of -- it's very famous. We're not talking to the Alamos. Anyway, all right. There's a very famous institute in New Mexico, so you can look it up. You'll -- it'll come to you at the minute you put it in your computer. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And there had some of the biggest brains ever. Those -- that relationship came through me, so I -- that's me. And that is because my father was -- one of the major scien hit up my family fortune, when I had one, came scientific publishing. And when it started from the thing that you were asking me yesterday, my father was in the Second World War, I told you, and he won the military cross, and then he actually did become what was part of intelligence back in the war. And his job was to interrogate German scientists and prisoners of war. And then that parleyed into business with MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022822