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Page 281 - and with MIT? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I think that that may have come with Wexner. I'm not sure, but that's something that I think that Wexner maybe had a relationship with Harvard, and that he used that relationship to, I believe, h funded a lot. And if he didn't, that his clients of which Wexner obviously was one, would fund. And he would -- he would then make -- he would arrange the fund or -- TODD BLANCHI! GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- organize the don't know. TODD BLANCHE: ‘"m going to take -- we'll take a break in a -- in a minute, but just to kind of set us up for what we're going to talk about next. Mr. Ep- -- we talked yesterday morning about Mr. Epstein's kind of business and how he had money. Did he seem to live beyond his means, as far as what he was making? So did you ever get the sense while you were with him, that it was suspicious or curious how he was able to have the funds to, you know, buy, you know, two planes, you know, an island, and New Mexico, you know, the ranch, almost -- almost MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022824