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Page 284 that? And he said to me, well, because I want to make sure that the people around me are my friends -- want my friends around me and my neighbors. And was like, well, whatever. Okay, you know. I've been around enormous wealth my whole life, and I've like -- at some point I just say, okay, whatever. I get and I don't. And so that's what he did. But Epstein ran New Albany, which included a country club and a golf club and a -- I mean, gosh, your boss is one of the all-time great, you know, businessmen in this area. You know what that is. And he certainly does. So there'd be that, and there was a business business that Epstein -- well, he told me he owned it, but of course, I can't say that for sure, because I don't know, but it's a sports thing. Riddell, is that a business? Riddell's? I thought about it last night. It's red and had hats, helmet Riddell's? TAN: Riddell. EF MAXWELL: Riddell. Yeah, Riddell's. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Now, how he owned that -- well, he told me he owned it, but how he MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022827