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Page 286 focus kind of exclusively on Epstein and like his criminal conduct with respect to women. Do you -- you said yesterday a couple times that, like, you now kind of recognize or think that there was things that he did that you didn't know about, and that he kept from you or that you didn't see. What did you see? So you said yesterday, and I'm not -- I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, but at some point he was getting massages seven days a week, sometimes multiple massages a day. Women have said that -- that were there -- that say they were there giving him massages, said that those included some sort of sexual conduct, however, you define that in the broadest sense, not just a traditional massage, regularly. So what do you -- what did you see and hear at the time? And then I think, aside from what you saw and heard at the time, now that you've been through what you've been through and heard people say what they've said, and read what they read, what do you -- where does that leave you in your mind with what happened? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. So I saw Epstein with women. I mean, what I mean by that is MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022829