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Page 291 I'm not saying that Mr. Epstein did not do those things. I'm not casting those -- I'm not going to say -- I don't feel comfortable saying that today, given what I now know to be true. So I am not here to defend him. But what I can say is that participate in that activity. And -- TODD BLANCHE: So let's divide this into two areas. Maybe there's more, but we'll start with two areas. One is there was testimony and there's certainly been depositions and public statements, that some of these young women had conversations with you about their age. So, for example, conversations about the fact that they were in high school or conversations about the fact that they wanted to go to college one day, which would necessarily mean -- well, not necessarily, but would be more likely to mean that they were in high school when they talked to you about that. And so, were there times -- were there women that you knew were underage? And I say that because that's different than whether they were sexually abused in any way by Mr. Epstein, just merely their age and going to give him a massage? MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022834