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Page was young? I absolutely did. But everything that took place that was alleged at trial at the 14, and 15, and 16, is not accurate. And -- I don't -- TODD BLANCHE: There's testimony or there's -- and again, I'm using testimony in the broadest sense. Some of this is just public statements or something that's come out in civil lawsuits about you and Mr. Epstein giving, like an 18 -- you'tre turning 18 birthday card to somebody, which again, if true would, by definition mean you knew that she was under 18. Do you recall doing that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not. I mean, no memory of that at all. And I believe that would be the person that called herself Kate has now announced herself in her own podcast for who she really is. Her name is Od REDACTION So I did not meet until actually, she was either 20 or 21. So it would be very hard for me to have given her an 18 birthday card. And the testimony -- there's also -- TODD BLANCHE: Do you accept -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- that slid back. TODD BLANCHE: -- do you accept that at some point, and we talked about this yesterday about MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR- 00022837