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Page 301 think I'm fairly confident, and I can say that at least as characterized, it's just -- it's jus false. It's just -- it didn't happen as said. Now, did it -- did it happen -- did he -- did he involve himself? I knew about Jane, because saw her come to the house. But I saw her with her mother. I know that her allegations are that there were orgies, for instance. But the people that she suggests were in her orgies, didn't even work for Epstein until '98 or '99, Did he do orgies with those people? don't know anybody who was there who said that they did. I certainly didn't see it. I can't say that that happened. Did she do it with someone else? don't know. The stories really start -- the allegations really begin with ,RARAMAMA. and that you have to shift his behavior, such as it bar, there was one in California who made an allegation. There was a woman who said that she - she's -- I didn't know about. So I think I would call her the first person. I'd be aware of him using his position to -- TODD BLANCHE: But -- and sorry to MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022844