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Page 312 didn't have to -- TODD BLANCHE: That's a fair point. But move beyond the -- his assistants or the folks that work with him. What about his friends and the people that were associated with him? It couldn't be -- it doesn't -- I don't understand how that -- how this is an after fact of Mr. Epstein. So once he's arrested in Florida, it becomes part of his story. And then later on he's charged in Southern District, and then here we ar now in 2025. But he was a very successful, hardworking guy, and he had a lot of clients, and he flew with them on vacations and went to the island. Tt doesn't -- I don't understand how he was able to hide this, what seems to me to be some sort of sexual fixation or issue -- GHISLAINE MAXW! : I don't TODD BLANCHE: from -- from others? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't think he did hide it. I -- that's the answer. And I think that the people around him, I think, myself included -- TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- obviously, normalized his behavior on a number of fronts. One, MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022855