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Page 316 TODD BLANCHE: I accept the lifestyle. I've seen the photos, fact that everybody is -- we're all going to go to the island for a couple of days, or wetre flying on a private plane and there's beautiful women everywhere. Is there any -- I mean, do you, as you sit here today, think that the people around him didn't also -- weren't also of the same place where they were also getting massages where there was sex going on during them, or things like that? And I'm obviously asking this because that's what the -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah. TODD BLANCHE: -- that's what everybody has said. And when you just described what it was like, the very next step from that is everybody's going to Vegas for the weekend, you know. And so -- and so you -- it seems kind of fetched to say that, yes, that was his lifes But then when he's taking groups of the island or groups of folks to New Mexico tever, that they're all, you know, going to the morning while he's getting a massage. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I hear you. there, though. And -- TODD BLANCHI! MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022859