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Page 321 because I wasn't either a party or didn't listen and know -- I would characterize, originally anyway, Mr. Epstein's interest in him because obviously he's the former president. But I never saw him -- other than that, them be friendly on the plane, but I never -- t believe -- I don't recollect, anyway, ever ng them in any other context. don't remember him at his house in New York. Like I said, I don't believe h ver went to that island. I think that was just a -- that was a story that DOJ REDACTION did. TODD BLANCHE: Do you know one way or the other, whether their relationship continued without you, like, when you kind of moved on past Mr. Epstein? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't believe so. TODD BLANCHE: Why do you say that you don't believe so? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Because I don't think they had a relationship even when I was there. I was -- President Clinton liked me, and we got along terribly well. But I never saw that warmth or that -- that warmth or however you want to characterize with Mr. Epstein and cert- -- so I didn't see MAGNA®© LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR- 00022864