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OBATNDOBRPWNF COW WOAIDHD OF WN FP Page 225 And I needed that for my self-esteem. I've never been -- I mean, obviously salary and it was a very generous one. Please, I'm not belittling the sum of money, because it's huge, but I was brought up to work and I was brought up to be my own, you know. The first time -- so I would either propose businesses to him or he would actually suggest why didn't I do something in the first deal that we did, or the first business that we had or I had and that he financed for me. So he gave -- he loaned me all the money to enable me to do this and then I reaped the profits, which I don't remember now, because we varied over the deals that we did, that I would give him 50 percent or 25. It was sort of -- it was random. TODD BLANCHE: So -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I can tell you what it is, so We can compare it. TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. Go ahead. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So it was in Palm Beach actually, and it was in real estate. And they sold what was the grounds originally of an estate called the Phipps Estate. And then they converted Page 226 the land that came with that estate into houses. And I did, I think, two or maybe -- I can't remember now, but certainly one and maybe two, possibly three. I don't think so. I think two, that then were flipped and there was a profit. So that would be an example of that. But I didn't have the money, so he lent me the funds to do that business transaction and then I reaped the profits. TODD BLANCHE: And so -- but when -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And that's millions of dollars. TODD BLANCHE: -- when a financial investigator like, the FBI looks at accounts, they don't know kind of the conversations you're having. They just see the money. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Right. TODD BLANCHE: So in those cases, when that happened, when he would -- when he financed that with you, would he send money to you? So does that explain some of the money? Like, I guess -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I believe -- I think it does. I think, for instance, there were two Gullwing Mercedes that they did with Mercedes and Aston Martin. You can look it up, I think, if I'm MAGNA®© Or~ATIN OF WNP DH WAAIHDHO PWN FP Own NDN OP WNYNF DO DAI HD OB WN EF Nh BD +t ro Ww Page 227 right. That had the doors that would come up like this -- TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: There were only a very limited number that were made. So I knew that we could get those and flip them right within 24 hours, for example. Also my -- here's another example of something that you guys wouldn't have known about is I became a banker. I got my Series 63, Series 67 banking license and became a broker for like a new (inaudible). And then -- because I was day trading. Everything I had I day traded with -- through an account. And I think I was lucky more than smart, but I made quite a lot of money doing that. And so TODD BLANCHE: When was that? Like what -- approximate time -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Again, that's in the ‘90s again. I don't -- oh, wait. I think -- well, you can find it, because it'll be my banking license, right? That'll be something that you can look up, probably. TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. Page 228 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So what whatever that is -- and I just don't remember when that is. I'm sorry. TODD BLANCHE: So -- okay. So -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And so for an example, I was -- I was doing really, really, really well. And so he was like, how do you do that? Well, how are you -- what are you -- why are you investing in, I don't know, Apple when nobody liked Apple. This is, you know, before Apple or Microsoft. I didn't know Bill Gates, so this is not related to him. But my family -- DAVID MARKUS: Don't charge her with insider trading. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Please -- no. I'm not trying to suggest that. Oh, goodness. Please, no. I had no -- DAVID MARKUS: It was just a joke. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. TODD BLANCHE: It was a joke. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah. No. All right. But my -- going back to my family, my dad had given me an account when I was 12 and I had always an interest in business and finance, not -- not very sophisticated. I'm not suggesting that. 4 (Pages 225 to 228) LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022919