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onda owt WNHE Page 221 was that for? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, first of all, I don't -- I dispute the characterization that the money was sent to me. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So tell me what -- I am stuck with the witnesses at trial and what was said at trial on that issue. So what -- what -- what is the -- what do you dispute about that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I believe -- I don't have full recollection. I'm not even sure I ever saw what they accused me of, but my belief is that that money also contained money that was for a helicopter, for instance, that I never owned and I -- was never mine. And -- DAVID MARKUS: In other words, money was sent to you that you then used to purchase things or... GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I'm not even sure that I purchased it. So the accounts -- those accounts would be controlled by his accountants. And -- TODD BLANCHE: Even accounts in your name, you're saying, or one of your entities? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I'm not even sure I knew of all the entities. I'm not -- I Page 222 don't -- 1t -- maybe I did, contemporaneously, but I simply wouldn't know today. So if there was an entity, let's say account X, if I really set that up myself or whether they said, we're doing this and the money's coming or whatever. But in no substantive way -- I can't think of the right word. DAVID MARKUS: Did you have control over -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I had no control, is what I'm saying. TODD BLANCHE: So when -- when the government -- when there was testimony or the government admitted evidence that showed, for example, $5 million in 2002 coming from Epstein to you, okay, what you're saying is that that may -- that happened, but that the you there, wasn't money that -- he wasn't giving you money. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm not going to say that for everything, because maybe there were accounts that money was sent to me. But I can say that I know -- like the helicopter, I can definitively say. I'd have to look at all of them to be accurate for you. But to explain how or why I could be receiving monies, and I certainly did. So I'm not MAGNA®© OTN OF WN EE NNNNNNPFPRPRPRPEP REPRE BE OB WwNHEF OM DAA UBRWNHE Ow OAD OP WNF DO WAIN PWN EF ND |} Foo Page 223 disputing all of it. TODD BLANCHE: But when you said -- let's go back and look. Why would -- why did money have to go into your accounts or account that was controlled by others, but in your name to, like, purchase a helicopter? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, that's a very good question. I don't -- I'm not sure I know the answer to that. I don't. TODD BLANCHE: So let me ask this maybe a different way that gets to the issue, right? So the accusation by the government, based upon the evidence they collected, is that Epstein paid you millions and millions of dollars over the years. And the reason why he paid you that is because you were performing an extraordinary service for him by recruiting young women, many of whom were underage to -- so that he could sexually abuse them. Okay. That's their -- that's their allegation. Okay. From what you said yesterday and from what I've reviewed about you and Mr. Epstein, he paid for a lot in your life. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely. TODD BLANCHE: Your flights, where you Page 224 stayed with him. I mean, he didn't expect you to reimburse him along the way for food and, you know, so he took care of you for many years. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That is true. TODD BLANCHE: On top of that, he actually paid you a salary as we talked about $25,000 to $250,000. What else did he give you? Or what purchase -- like, was there a time when he gave you a million dollars or $500,000 as a bonus? Or what -- what financial benefit did you receive from him, besides what we've already talked about. We don't have to talk about what, you know, so -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I got it. I got it. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So my goal, always, was to become independent, independently, financially secure and work for myself. I've never been one to not work. And in that regard, over the course of my friendship and my working relationship with Epstein, I expressed to him my desire to be independent of him everywhere, just to be freestanding. And the -- in -- with that in mind, I wanted to have my own businesses or my own money coming in independent and separate from any salary that I recetved from him. 3 (Pages 221 to 224) LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR- 00022918