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onwtrn Oe WN EP Page 237 around 2010, on the island in the Caribbean for a couple days, did you -- have you seen -- do you know Mr. Musk beyond that time? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: We met at -- I was at the Oscars and we met at the Oscars. TODD BLANCHE: What year was that, earlier or later? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: It was post that event, I believe. TODD BLANCHE: And do you know whether Mr. Epstein knew Mr. Musk? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I believe they did. And the only reason I say that is not from my memory, but because I saw -- I think I saw -- my memory is that in discovery, they were communicating on email. TODD BLANCHE: So you have no personal knowledge of that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I have no -- TODD BLANCHE: It's just what you've -- what you've seen from the press or from discovery? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I believe his brother as well, actually. TODD BLANCHE: Excuse me? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Mr. Musk'’s brother as well. But I don't -- my -- like I said, my memory is Page 238 not -- it's not as good as I would like it to be. And I just want to say that. TODD BLANCHE: Do you -- you mentioned, I think, yesterday in passing -- well, not in passing, but as part of another answer, Andrew Cuomo. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: Did you know Mr. Cuomo? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, only because he was married to Kerry. TODD BLANCHE: Yes. Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I think I knew his brother as well. What's -- he has a brother, right? He's on TV. What's his name? LEAH SAFFIAN: Chris. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Right. Christopher. LEAH SAFFIAN: Christopher Cuomo. TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. Chris. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Chris. TODD BLANCHE: You mean the TV -- the former TV anchor or the TV anchor, Chris Cuomo? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So -- but I would say just socially, not -- I'm not close friends or anything, but because we -- I was friends with Kerry MAGNA®© on TIMA OB WN TE NNNNNNRFPRPRPRPRPRRP EEE OB WHF OW MODNA OBWNHE OO aA no BP WDNR Ow OATH TO BF WN EP NN NM ND ! WH FO wo Page 239 and I met him a few times and I certainly met his brother as well a few times. TODD BLANCHE: And the same questions that I asked about Mr. Musk, do you know whether Mr. Epstein knew Andrew Cuomo or Chris Cuomo or Ms. Kennedy, your friend? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't think so. TODD BLANCHE: And so you never -- you don't recall any of those three individuals, like, flying on Mr. Epstein's plane -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. TODD BLANCHE: -- or visiting him in Palm Beach or at the island? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. TODD BLANCHE: I think you mentioned former Secretary of State John Kerry yesterday. But if not, do you know Mr. Kerry or no? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I have met him, but I don't know if Mr. Epstein ever met him. I met him only -- well, really I can't even probably characterize that as a meeting, but I was very, very involved in the Ocean at Work, through the -- you asked me yesterday about TerraMar. And if I recall right, I met Mr. -- the Secretary that way through the Ocean, but he wouldn't Page 240 know who I am, I doubt. I don't think. TODD BLANCHE: Do you know whether -- well, do you know former Senator Ted Kennedy? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: And does -- is that through your own life or through Mr. Epstein? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: My life. TODD BLANCHE: Do you know whether Mr. Epstein knew Senator Kennedy? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't believe so. TODD BLANCHE: And so for the folks we just talked about, so former Secretary of State John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, did -- you don't know whether Mr. Epstein knew them, so I take that to mean you have no recollection of them flying on his planes-- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh God, no. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh. But Bobby Kennedy knew him. Bobby, the health -- TODD BLANCHE: Sorry. Say that again about Bobby Kennedy. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Bobby knew Mr. Epstein. TODD BLANCHE: How do you know that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Because we went on a 7 (Pages 237 to 240) LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR- 00022922