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onda owt WNHE Page 229 And so I like to trade and so I did and I did well. And so then I would tell him what I was doing. Now, whether he did or he didn't, he told me he matched me in some other accounts that he had. Because he did a lot of -- he -- my observation, to go back to what he did, I observed him personally and have recollection -- personal recollection of him trading this money, lots. Tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars. TODD BLANCHE: That was -- that he was trading for other people -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: -- or that was his own money? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I want also to clarify something for you or clarify or underline. Wexner was, in my opinion, his closest friend in this time period from when I met him in '91, right, all the way until-- well, ‘til, I don't know. Because I wasn't that friendly with -- well, I did travel with Mr. Wexner, but Epstein told me that Wexner didn't want to be seen too much with me, because of my family problems. You know, whether that was -- TODD BLANCHE: You mean the problems that Page 230 your father's company had with -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: -- embezzlement or allegations of -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. Yes. That's what I'm talking about. And now, actually today -- not contemporaneously, but today I don't believe that that's even true. I think it was used as a means to not have me travel with him to Ohio or whatever. It was just a way to park me. And I believe that now, because within the discovery there was a lot of -- well, not a lot, but there was some indications that he would actively tell other people to lie to me or conceal things from me, and that he never loved me and I wasn't his type. That's in the discovery somewhere. TODD BLANCHE: So -- okay. So the government had evidence that, even as late as 2007, he paid you a lot of money. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: What was that? What was the money? TODD BLANCHE: Like several -- millions of millions of dollars in 2007. $7.4 million, I think. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: What was that for? MAGNA®© AAD OPFWNF DH OATH UBF WNY HE BANOO BFWNHRrF OO WMAATHD OB WN EP N+ Oo wo Page 231 Was it -- was that the helicopter? TODD BLANCHE: That was -- that's my question for you. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, sorry. TODD BLANCHE: I don't know. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. Sorry. TODD BLANCHE: So in 2007 -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think that was probably the helicopter. That could have been -- TODD BLANCHE: That was what? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That could have been the helicopter, the Sikorsky. Those big chunks like that, I don't -- I didn't -- I don't personally have any memory of receiving a check from him for $7 million. I just -- I just don't. But I would have to -- I know I -- so the answer to your question, to be precise -- DAVID MARKUS: You would remember if it went into your pocket -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I would remember if it went -- I would -- he never paid me to -- for services that you just described, $7 million, to -- for any nefarious reason. TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. I think I understand what you've said about being on the payroll and Page 232 helping -- him helping you with businesses, and giving you a lot of life things along the way. You travel with him, you ate with him. He's, you know, but there is the -- these massive amounts of money, one-time payments that I -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I don't -- you'd have to trace that, right? So I don't believe that came into my account or I had any control. I have no memory of that. I have no -- no -- TODD BLANCHE: Well, but if there's records that show it coming into your account, it sounds like what you're saying is that not -- putting aside your -- you have no memory of that money being yours. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. TODD BLANCHE: Like you didn't -- that money is not somewhere -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I wouldn't be like, oh, yippee, let me go. I got $7 million. I'm going to go buy myself a yacht. No. OrI don't know, something else or move it to some other -- no. I don't think -- I don't think, 1f you look -- you'll have to check, obviously you will. I don't think you'll find that money moving in any -- to any account, either of mine or it shouldn't show, 5 (Pages 229 to 232) LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR- 00022920