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AAD OPFWNF DH OATH UBF WNY HE Page 249 TODD BLANCHE: And was Mr. Epstein? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. TODD BLANCHE: And what was the purpose of that trip? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, the President had -- I don't know. I mean, I -- the President met with -- I can't even remember every -- all the, I know, presidents and we were in -- TODD BLANCHE: Was this part of President Clinton's work after he left office with the -- with his foundation? Or was -- meaning what -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't think the foundation, when did the -- TODD BLANCHE: -- was it something for him or was it -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: When did the -- I don't remember when the Clinton Global Initiative started. So if you date me -- if you give me that date, I can tell you if tt was pre or post. Because without that, I can't pin the reason. DAVID MARKUS: Do you remember what it was for or not? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I don't recall. DAVID MARKUS: Okay. Page 250 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, I don't -- TODD BLANCHE: Yeah, that's -- don't over think or under think the reason for my questions. I don't -- I don't have any idea why you went on that trip, so I don't know an answer that I'm getting from you. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, I'm just trying to be as accurate as possible and give you the information that you seek. TODD BLANCHE: Why would you -- do you remember why you were invited to go? Like were you -- were you friends with somebody? What was your role going on that trip? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I didn't have a role. TODD BLANCHE: So do you remember why -- do you remember who invited you to go? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: If -- probably Doug Band. TODD BLANCHE: And how did you know Doug? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Because Doug and -- again, back with Philip Levine. TODD BLANCHE: Got it. And do you know whether he had a relationship with Mr. Epstein? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Who? TODD BLANCHE: Doug. oO TN OA PF WN EF NNNNNNRPRPRPRPRPRPRP RRP BR OBWNHEF OO DAAIAUOKRWNHE Ow DAAINDOFWNHRF DWM WAT A OB WN HE NO ND | rFOoOWw Page 251 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I -- I don't know. I mean, nothing. He -- I don't believe there was any relationship, other than I helped -- well, without me, I don't think there would've been those flights, because I was the one who asked Epstein to provide the plane for -- well, certainly I remember the one to Africa, of course, that big trip. And I thought it was an honor and a privilege to be part of something so amazing and to have an opportunity to spend time with a man that I found truly extraordinary. And please, I don't mean it in any other way, other than as a former fantastic ex-president. I don't -- TODD BLANCHE: So I was asking around the question, but I'll just ask it: like, were you basically asked to go because you were kind of responsible for the plane? Responsible is the wrong word. They use you -- they were able to use you to make sure that they could -- you helped them get Mr. Epstein's plane for the trip? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, I don't even know if when I was on that -- in fact, I think -- I think, that trip, I'm not even sure that Epstein had met the Page 252 President. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think this is -- but if I'm right, and I think I am, I think that trip happened when Epstein and Clinton had never even -- not that they'd never met, because Epstein had gone to the White House, but they had not met. I'd never asked Epstein for the plane then because they'd never met and it would be weird. But they met because of me and the plane was because of me. But that trip was the first, I think, the first trip I took with the ex-president. And I don't believe Epstein and he had met. And we're talking a time period when I was trying to -- TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- leave. Not very successfully obviously, but I was branching out on my own and being more independent of Mr. Epstein and trying to -- all kinds of businesses that I was into. I was trying to start the first telehealth medicine with the Cleveland Clinic. I mean, I'm not going to bore you, because I don't think that's what you guys are interested in, but those were the sorts of things that I was looking for him to finance, so MAGNA® 10 (Pages 249 to 252) LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022925