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OBATNDOBRPWNF COW WOAIDHD OF WN FP Page 253 that I could stop being, you know, a general manager of a hotel. TODD BLANCHE: Did you -- so did you take other trips with some or all of those individuals, kind of without Mr. Epstein in later years? Like, you said that was the first time that you had kind of been on something like that and it was an honor and you were spending time with former President Clinton and others. Were there other -- over the years, did you do that more than once? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: We'll talk about those. Like multiple times, like too many to count or there three or four times. Like how many times? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: A lot. A lot. I went on a lot of trips. Now I don't recall all of them. Not because I'm trying to be evasive or anything, but I just don't remember them all. And after a while, you know, in the incredible job that you have, all of you, that when you're so high pressured and you're spending so much time with extraordinary people like you do with President Trump, it -- 1t can blur. It just does. And those few things that stand out, Page 254 because at the end it's all just extraordinary as cars and sirens and president. It's like, whoa, okay. TODD BLANCHE: So, I understand, but talk -- so don't give me spec- -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Right. TODD BLANCHE: -- I understand you can't give specific numbers. What -- describe more about kind of your, that part of your life and your relationship. I'm using "relationship." You don't like relationships. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Right, right. TODD BLANCHE: And your -- sorry. And your -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: My employer. TODD BLANCHE: Yes. Just describe your -- what you were doing with those individuals. So when I say "those individuals," I'm talking about former President Clinton, Doug, other folks that worked with him. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: All of them. Yes. There were loads of them. And just all of them, you know the team, I don't need to give you all the names. You have them at your fingertips and I can confirm. If you give me names, I'll say yes, because AAD OPFWNF DH OATH UBF WNY HE N+ Oo © onan OB WN TE PRPPRPPRPRPE eB O~IANAOBWNHE OL Page 255 they're not all going to pop into my head, so. TODD BLANCHE: Right. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. SoI started spending a lot of time. I don't want to characterize that, but I started spending time with the former President and with Doug and his team. And then it -- I had no purpose, really, other than I had -- I obviously offered something, I don't know, ideas of -- I don't know. Anyway. And he started to travel. I don't remember if the first trip was Africa or how it went, but at some point, I think there was actually two trips, but I'm not sure. So there was to Europe and then to Africa, I think maybe it was all one trip. And at some point, Mr. Epstein said he didn't want to go on the trip and he was going somewhere else and he just left. And I was like, well, okay. And so I ended up doing the whole trip without Mr. Epstein or his plane. TODD BLANCHE: And when you were traveling with them, what were the purposes of the trips? Like is this one -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think these were all -- I think actually it was the AIDS, was one of Page 256 the primary ones, for his AIDS Foundation, when he was working to do that. And there were always a humanitarian side to the trips. And we went to Egypt and to, there was -- oh, yeah. TODD BLANCHE: So there -- so it sounds like you're describing one -- right now, one trip with lots of stops. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: It could be, but I have a feeling that I went on other trips, but I can't remember. TODD BLANCHE: When you -- when you went on these -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I went to London. TODD BLANCHE: Went to London. Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't know if that's the same trip. TODD BLANCHE: When you went on these trips, that -- were you always on Mr. Epstein's plane? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. TODD BLANCHE: -- Or did you sometimes accompany them on a different plane? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Correct. Yes. TODD BLANCHE: How many were on MAGNA® 11 (Pages 253 to 256) LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR- 00022926