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Aryan oP WNF DWM DOA HDOB WN EH Page 261 himself, but only in the context of something that I was trying to do. TODD BLANCHE: So when you say "involved himself," meaning like, give money to the Clinton Global Initiative or something like this? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, so there's that. I think he did do that. And that, I believe, the money that he may have given could have been independent of me. But I think it's just easier if I just tell you how it happened, rather than -- otherwise it sounds all odd and funky. I went to Davos with a former president and I -- have you been to Davos? TODD BLANCHE: In what? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Have you been to Davos? TODD BLANCHE: [have not. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. Well, you know, it's a -- you know what it is, right? Okay. So -- and I was -- I thought the former president should have his own Davos, because it would be -- and they had -- it turned out, that they had been thinking about it anyway. And so we were talking about it and, you know, it’s a very heavy lift to get something like Page 262 that to go. And I was friendly with one of the people who had -- I don't know if he was at the beginning of Davos or -- but he was running Davos. It was just -- I don't know, hard to describe his actual role at Davos and had conversations with him about what did he think, you know? Oh, just because I was having dinner with him about if Clinton could get something like that to go, what was his thoughts? And he was very, very enthusiastic. I mean, he was like, that's just an incredible idea. So I put them together. TODD BLANCHE: Who -- what's that person's name? Do you remember? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I knew you were going to ask me. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I can -- I can -- TODD BLANCHE: Just -- you said -- I didn't know if you knew his -- if you remember his name. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do know. I do, but T just -- TODD BLANCHE: Can't remember his name. Okay. Aryan oP WNF DWM DOA HDOB WN EH NNN DN DW + Owe WNrR OW oO TN OA PWN EE NNNNNNRFPRPRPRPRPRP RRP BR OPWNF OW DODTA UB WHE OO Page 263 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: It will come to me. It may come to me tomorrow, but eventually these things, like, surface from -- like in the middle of the night, I was scribbling names -- TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: remember from yesterday. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: But his name will come to me, and if not, we can find it. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. So you -- when the -- just still stay -- staying on your relationship with -- sorry, the -- your association with the Clintons. You were part of the ramp up or the startup of the Clinton Global Initiative -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I was. TODD BLANCHE: -- and helping them in supporting that effort. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I -- I would say very central to that, yes. TODD BLANCHE: And Mr. Epstein, was he part of the work around that or just in support of you? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He supported me to Page 264 -- that I couldn't help them, but then I think he may have tried to use that to insert himself in some way, that would not have surprised me at all. And I know that he was annoying, in terms that I could catch him on the phone and he wouldn't always agree with what I wanted to do. And I was like, it's not your idea. I don't really care what you think, but that didn't go over so well. TODD BLANCHE: And -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, I just want to say, it wasn't my idea for his CGI. TODD BLANCHE: Wasn't your -- say it again. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: It's not my idea. They had had that idea before. I just helped bring key personnel to -- TODD BLANCHE: You're saying the idea of President Clinton kind of having his own Davos like -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm not -- I'm not owning. I didn't -- that’s not -- TODD BLANCHE: Understood. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't want anyone -- I don't try to elevate myself in any form of importance here. MAGNA® 13 (Pages 261 to 264) LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR- 00022928