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Or~ATIN OF WNP DH WAAIHDHO PWN FP Page 269 know. I think they sort of loosely stayed in touch. I wouldn't -- I don't think it -- I don't know. I don't know how to say that. TODD BLANCHE: Do you know Mr. Tucker besides that flight? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. TODD BLANCHE: And do you know whether -- when you say you think that they kept in touch, you mean you think that Mr. Epstein and Mr. Tucker -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: They may have. I didn't, but he might have. I'm not sure. TODD BLANCHE: Kevin Spacey? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I know him also from that same flight. TODD BLANCHE: Aside from that flight, do you know him from any other thing? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. TODD BLANCHE: Naomi Campbell? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes, I do know Naomi, and I knew her before I met Mr. Epstein and Mr. -- former President Clinton. TODD BLANCHE: Do you know whether Mr. Epstein separately knew Ms. Campbell? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think she -- he probably met her through me, that I imagine. Page 270 TODD BLANCHE: And so for those three, Mr. Tucker, Mr. Spacey, and Ms. Campbell, did they ever travel to any of Mr. Epstein's properties; the island or New Mexico? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Not Mr. Tucker -- well, not to my knowledge Mr. Tucker or Mr. Spacey. Naomi Campbell may have. TODD BLANCHE: To where? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: She may have gone -- well, she certainly -- well, I believe she visited him in Palm Beach, and I believe she may have gone to the island and she may have gone to see his house in New York. Whether she went to New Mexico or Paris as well, maybe. They were friends or friendly. TODD BLANCHE: Were you -- what you just said "she may have," were you on those trips? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't have any independent memory of that, so I'm not sure. I don't think so. TODD BLANCHE: Do you know -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Her relationship, her friendship, her -- I think you're making me use your word. Her -- her friendship, whatever, with Mr. Epstein was independent of me. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. But you also had a ODr~wAnA OAR WNHeRF OCW WAIN OO PWN PB NONMNNMNNN DNDN 1! OP WNHR OO Aryan oOP WNP TD HO DAI HOB WN HE MO NMNNMNDND + BwWNY RF CO Wo Page 271 separate friendship with her before you met Mr. Epstein? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Larry Summers, the former Secretary of the Treasury. Do you know that person? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did, yes. TODD BLANCHE: How? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I met Mr. Summers through Mr. Epstein. TODD BLANCHE: And the same question, just generally time period, are you talking about early 2000s, '90s, a little after that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I honestly really don't know. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did want to say something. I forgot that there was -- yesterday. You asked me about Mr. Epstein's properties. He had a rental in Boston as well, but it -- not for very long, but it was another place that I had to put together. And I only went with him once and he would go there independently of me. No, I would not go with him. TODD BLANCHE: Was that in the '90s? Page 272 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think it was, yes. TODD BLANCHE: Mr. Summers, do you know why -- do you know what his relationship was with Mr. Epstein; business, personal, both, or don't you know? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think he spoke to Mr. Epstein about business a lot, but I think they were friends. They were friendly. TODD BLANCHE: Do you know whether Mr. Summers ever traveled on Mr. Epstein's planes to any of the properties that Mr. Epstein owned? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He may have, but I don't think, if he did, I was on any of the flights. I mean, those are another issues. I mean, I went -- I traveled so, so much that I really -- the flights just blur. TODD BLANCHE: I understand. George Soros? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't think he knew him. I did, but I don't think he did. I don't think. TODD BLANCHE: How did you know Mr. Soros? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I was friends with his kids. TODD BLANCHE: What -- which kids? MAGNA® 15 (Pages 269 to 272) LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR- 00022930