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onwtrn Oe WN EP Page 265 TODD BLANCHE: No, I understand. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. TODD BLANCHE: Did you go to Davos with President Clinton more than once or just once? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I can't remember. Once for sure. And I think maybe twice, but I don't remember. TODD BLANCHE: Did -- and you're not, I think you said, you don't -- you're not aware of President Clinton ever going to the island? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He never. Absolutely never went. And I can be sure of that because there's no way he would've gone -- I don't believe there's any way that he would've gone to the island, had I not been there. Because I don't believe he had an independent friendship, if you will, with Epstein. Did they speak? Did he go? Yes, but that's very different from going to spend time on an island. And plus, the story as told is so patently absurd that I flew him in the helicopter. Iam a helicopter pilot, that is true. But the notion of me flying an ex-president in a machine. That would terrify me. I would never even take that responsibility. Can you imagine? Yeah, no. I'm not Page 266 -- I'm -- no. TODD BLANCHE: Did -- did you ever go with President Clinton to any of Epstein -- Mr. Epstein's properties? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I -- TODD BLANCHE: -- so like New Mexico, Palm Beach, or in New York? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I have no memory of him in any of those places. TODD BLANCHE: When you were in London with President Clinton, did you -- did you ever go to your -- to your flat with him? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't think he did. I don't -- I don't think so, because this, like, it's like -- he wouldn't even -- he wouldn't even be able to carry all his Secret Service with him. I don't think so, no. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Do you know -- we talked a little about the Duchess of York, about Sarah Ferguson yesterday. Did -- when's the -- when the last time you, like -- when's the last time you, you saw her? Like, were you -- were you -- do you have a -- were you with her or hang out with her, socializing with her, in the '90s, 2000s? Both? ODr~wAnA OAR WNHeRF OCW WAIN OO PWN PB NM ND ! NOrFOWO Ny ds ornare wWndeE Ne] Page 267 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: She's -- well, I had a -- I don't know if she liked me very much. I think my friendship with her ex-husband -- well, sometimes she really did like me and sometimes she didn't. So maybe a frenemy, I don't know. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I -- it was always friendly when we were together, but I think that there was some latent hostility. And I -- TODD BLANCHE: Is that something you've heard since everything came out or along the way you felt that way? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, that's how I felt. That -- that is a characterization of myself. That's how I felt about her. I would never -- I was always friendly with her. I mean, she's -- I mean, I've seen her many, many times and she's also super, super close with other people I'm very good friends with in England. I think that -- I think that she liked Mr. Epstein. TODD BLANCHE: Why do you think that? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: My female intuition. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. LEAH SAFFIAN: Discovery. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh. Page 268 LEAH SUFFIAN: The letter. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't remember tt. TODD BLANCHE: It's okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. I don't -- it's possible that there's things -- well, I know -- it's not possible. I know that there is discovery, but I don't recall. But I think she had a thing for him. TODD BLANCHE: Did -- there's some actors or some folks from Hollywood that I want to ask you about, just to understand whether you knew them or Mr. Epstein knew them. Chris Tucker? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: How did you know Mr. Tucker? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think only from that flight to Africa. But I do think that they met -- TODD BLANCHE: You say that flight to Africa, the one we were just talking about with -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: -- President Clinton? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. Sorry. TODD BLANCHE: Sorry, go ahead. Yep. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: But I also think that they kept a little bit in touch and I think we met, or I have a memory of him maybe in L.A., I don't MAGNA® 14 (Pages 265 to 268) LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR- 00022929