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onda owt WNHE Page 321 because I wasn't either a party or didn't listen and I know -- I would characterize, originally anyway, Mr. Epstein's interest in him because obviously he's the former president. But I never saw him -- other than that, I saw them be friendly on the plane, but I never -- I don't believe -- I don't recollect, anyway, ever seeing them in any other context. I don't remember him at his house in New York. Like I said, I don't believe he ever went to that island. I think that was just a -- that was a story that ili did. TODD BLANCHE: Do you know one way or the other, whether their relationship continued without you, like, when you kind of moved on past Mr. Epstein? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't believe so. TODD BLANCHE: Why do you say that you don't believe so? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Because I don't think they had a relationship even when I was there. I was -- | -- President Clinton liked me, and we got along terribly well. But I never saw that warmth or that -- that warmth or however you want to characterize it, with Mr. Epstein and cert- -- so I didn't see Page 322 that. I didn't see any interest in -- I didn't see President Clinton being interested in Epstein. He was just arich guy with a plane. TODD BLANCHE: When -- when the Southern District of New York case kind of became public and there was a search warrant of Mr. Epstein's house, there was like a -- there was some sort of painting or picture with Mr. Clinton in like a blue dress that had been signed. Did you know -- do you know where he got that picture or that painting? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: The first I saw it was in the press. TODD BLANCHE: So you never observed that in his -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. TODD BLANCHE: -- brownstone? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I thought it was hideous. TODD BLANCHE: What's that again? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I thought it was hideous. TODD BLANCHE: And -- but you had never -- so you don't know, sitting here today, where Mr. Epstein got it? AAD OPFWNF DH OATH UBF WNY HE Xe} 20 BANOO BFWNHRrF OO WMAATHD OB WN EP N+ Oo wo Page 323 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. TODD BLANCHE: The circumstances in which he got it? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. TODD BLANCHE: Do you know of any other gifts or paraphernalia or art or pictures that former President Clinton gave to Mr. Epstein? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I mean, did he maybe get him a gift? I don't know. I have no knowledge of that. TODD BLANCHE: And then going back to the topic we were talking about before our last break. Well, when you said something yesterday at the very beginning of our conversation that when you first met Mr. Epstein and you ultimately have sex with him, that he had -- I'll use the word erectile dysfunction, but he had issues having sex? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's what he told me. TODD BLANCHE: That's what he told you? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. And then over the years, you said sometime in the ‘90s he started taking testosterone? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. But I don't know Page 324 if 1t was in the '90s. I don't remember when he started, but 1t wasn't -- he had patches -- testosterone patches -- TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- dermal. TODD BLANCHE: Like on his arm? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And then he was ridiculous, because you shouldn't take more than one. But sometimes he had, like -- I'm like, what are you doing? It's like unhealthy. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. From what you observed or saw or heard, did he continue to have challenges sexually over the years or do you think that whatever he told you -- whatever issue he told you he had was fixed? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think it was a lie. TODD BLANCHE: You think he was lying about what? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: About his erectile dysfunction. TODD BLANCHE: Oh, you mean you never -- you don't think he ever had any issues? You think he just told you that? MAGNA® °° *° LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022943