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DAATNOAFWNHRF DMO WAIHD OF WN FE Page 329 define as sexual contact. Because if somebody could not have their clothes or topless, I would say maybe, I could say that. If I saw him having -- masturbating when someone was there, I don't recall that, I don't have a specific memory of it. I'm sorry. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: TODD BLANCHE: Okay. fair. Sorry. I'm not --- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's okay. TODD BLANCHE: -- certainly not trying to put words in your mouth. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, no. That's -- absolutely no. That's fine. TODD BLANCHE: So -- and you said, I think in passing -- maybe not in passing. I'm sorry. About -- about, you know, whether other people who travel with him would get massages or -- so that would -- when I say that I'm referring mostly to the island or, potentially, New Mexico. But also his Palm Beach residence or even in New York. Do you know of -- do you have a list of Page 330 But no, I'm not -- -- I didn't say that. I understand, that's names in your head or names that come to mind of people that you know did get massages when they were with Mr. Epstein? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, there's no list. There's no list of people getting massages. I don't have -- I can barely recall all the people. I can barely recall. I struggle to recall actual people that I met. And I may have met a long time that I had even forgotten that -- about Mr. Kennedy, or I probably brought it up yesterday. It just came to my mind now. So I don't have, and there's no list. There was never a list. There was no -- or certainly none that I ever saw. None I ever heard of, none that I ever witnessed, none that I -- there's no list. Has never been a list. TODD BLANCHE: And you never heard Mr. Epstein talk about such a list? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Never. A~ATIN OP WNF DH DAIHOBWNHE on TIMA OB WN TE Xe} Page 331 never heard him. So I've been present many times with masseuses. I never -- who presumably could or maybe did massage somebody, I'm not saying whether they did or not just (indiscernible). I never heard him ask any question of any masseuse who may have given a massage to a friend that was on the island, or in Palm Beach or anywhere else for that, any details about that massage. Like, does he have a funky foot? No, I never heard that because it -- weird. TODD BLANCHE: And I think at one of the breaks today, your lawyer may have showed you something that just came out in the paper, I think this morning or last night. A letter that you -- that is attributed to you, associated with this birthday book from 2003 that we talked about yesterday. Is -- did you see that letter. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did see the letter. TODD BLANCHE: Is that, in fact -- look like your handwriting or something you wrote? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So, I don't remember the letter. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. GHISLAINE MAXWELL: But it does look like Page 332 my handwriting. And it does look like my name. And it looks like it could be real, but I have no memory of writing that, and I don't remember it at all. TODD BLANCHE: Do you remember what the birthday book, as they're calling it, what it, like, looked like? Like how it was put together? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do. TODD BLANCHE: What do you remember about it? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I remember it. It was leather-bound, and I remember it being about yea big. It was big. Right like -- TODD BLANCHE: So you're saying it looks like -- it's like over 12 inches, 14, 15 inches? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. It was like sort of like a folio size, I guess, or something like that. And like this. And it was brown and thick, about this thick. TODD BLANCHE: Okay. N+ oO GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And -- TODD BLANCHE: So just -- so you -- so I understand -- GHISLAINE MAXWELL: On heavy stock paper. TODD BLANCHE: Heavy stock paper, like 14 inches high? TODD BLANCHE: And you never heard Mr. Epstein suggest that he had some sort of control over somebody because of what he knew about what they had done or had photos of him or anything? GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I never heard him -- no, I never heard him ask questions about that. I NM NM NY WN FR No Oo MAGNA® °°" LEGAL SERVICES DOJ-OGR-00022945